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    Default Your night vision weapons setup

    Finally jumped and have a WP PVS-14 on the way. Also ordered a quality bump helmet (will upgrade to ballistic later when they’re more available and my bank account looks better).

    Because it’s vaguely familiar from my army days, I ordered a Steiner OTAL-C, IR rifle laser and currently have it rigged on my Suarez 10.5” AR (the old WO barreled model).

    Just curious how others have their rifles and pistols rigged for NV use.
    Anyone running an IR laser on a shotgun?

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    I have a least 1000 rounds with the OTAL with no issues.
    Great value & very simple to operate compared to the big
    hitters, Mawls, DBALs, etc, not to mention pricing.

    For the optic, I found the Unity Fast Micro mount, which
    gets the optic up to the 2.26" height. It sounds a little
    strange, but getting the optic that much higher makes
    passive aiming pretty much effortless. The Fast has a
    rear sight built in for AR's, so I mounted my OTAL on
    the receiver pic rail, in front of my optic & Fast mount,
    and that still gives plenty of clearance for my 14 on
    any of my helmets. I mounted it there before I could
    afford a quality hand guard that I felt was good enough
    to bridge the gap, but now that I have ponied up for that,
    I have decided to leave the laser on the receiver anyway.

    As far as the helmet mounts, I hear so many guys grumble
    about the J arms. I spent the bucks, up front for the Norotos
    INVG bayo mount & it is the bomb. Adjustability is almost
    limitless, and pretty much effortless, but it is spendy.

    Sorry to ramble. So much more I could type. Hit me up if
    you have more questions.

    Nice looking rig. What can is that?

    John
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny C! View Post
    I have a least 1000 rounds with the OTAL...

    John
    Thank you, Sir. Glad to hear the positive review of the OTAL here.

    A better Mount is at the top of my list and I’m doing the research now. Didn’t expect them to cost what they do so I’m still dealing with some sticker shock. Lol

    That can is a Silencertech. Relatively small company that I had a connection to and got a good deal when I was broke and wanted to get into suppressors. It’s heavy and direct thread but is very quiet and had held up to some fairly serious abuse.
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    Armasight pvs-14 with holusun ir Laser/ illuminator. Laser is good, illuminator could use some oomph. I run a crye precision skullcap instead of bump helmet... because who the hell walks around with the bump helmet hanging off their back pack?
    I also run a flir breach and looking into the dual mount set up. Oh, yeah.. also an armasight thermal rifle scope for making sure the chickens are safe at night.
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    Ive been through a couple sets of NV devices now and several lasers. In my opinion the best laser readily available to civilians is the russian perst-3. Its got a great illuminator and a near full power peq-15 laser which is easily adjustable down for a more precision aiming point. All for about the price of the civilian versions of dbal, peqs etc. 1200.00-1500.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jsavik View Post
    Armasight pvs-14 with holusun ir Laser/ illuminator. Laser is good, illuminator could use some oomph. I run a crye precision skullcap instead of bump helmet... because who the hell walks around with the bump helmet hanging off their back pack?
    I also run a flir breach and looking into the dual mount set up. Oh, yeah.. also an armasight thermal rifle scope for making sure the chickens are safe at night.
    Ive got a skeetIR bridged to a pvs-14. Its ok if your stationary but its not very good for moving. Id keep the thermal on a lanyard around neck for scanning and just run the pvs14 up top. If you want to bridge something, slap another 14 on there

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    Another thing i like about the perst-3 is there are two firing buttons. The one on the back is right in line with the support hand thumb, dont really need a pressure pad. The russians got it right with this one

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    The MAWL is kind of considered the end all be all of civilian lasers but if your going to be training in wet, muddy conditions i dont think its an optimal laser/illuminator. It has a dial thats offset off the front of the laser windows to turn it on and switch between ir or visible. The offset creates a space for mud to get stuck in there. Its still a great laser but i like the ngal, perst-3 and peq-15 restricted better

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    My learnings
    - Slave visible and IR laser makes zeroing easy.
    - Get a unit that does not shut down from muzzle flash
    - White gives much more clarity than green
    - Learn your switches.
    - Get a counter weight for your head mount. Scull cap or helmet.
    - Don't skimp on mounts

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    Thanks to all who commented. Chip has obviously been all the way down this road and I appreciate him spending the money to test everything so I don’t have to.

    A good helmet mount and counter weight are at the top of the list followed immediately by a pistol laser. Hopefully I can fine somewhere to shoot at night so I can get a confirmed zero soon. For now I put the gun in a cradle and walked the laser in to the red dot for an intersecting zero at 30 yards which will be fine for the moment.
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