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    Default Modern knife systems?

    What are the modern systems worth studying? MBC, Libre, piper....?

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    I'm a big believer in the angry monkey with a nail system.

    Gabe putout a couple of good videos years ago. Die Less Often and Big folders

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostRidder View Post
    I'm a big believer in the angry monkey with a nail system.

    Gabe putout a couple of good videos years ago. Die Less Often and Big folders
    Anger works, but anger with technique is even better.

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    Had a training partner who was much bigger than me and was knowledgeable in street fighting. We both followed the Sotis Amok system for a while. I myself, couldn't embrace it as most of his students do. Amok teaches a lot of blocks, sparing techniques along with some disarms. In our edged weapon Force on Force training, blocks and disarms alone don't work well enough to be practical, especially when addressing a strong, healthy dedicated assailant.

    To answer your question, I found the Amok system blocks very useful, but only when integrated with other empty hand fighting skills.

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    Glock seems to work pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shogunater View Post
    What are the modern systems worth studying? MBC, Libre, piper....?
    Janich (MBC) has been teaching biomechanical targeting in one form or another for a while, but it fails the dedicated attacker test.

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    1. Study Filipino Martial Arts, but like with anything, don't be a follower when outside the dojo. Train on your own as well.

    Most "modern systems" are repackaged FMA, and the majority of the rest are based on WWII Combatives.

    2. Get videos from various knife systems and train with them and see if they work. Get a training partner and spar. I don't recommend following any of the "knife gurus." Instead I advocate learning from them, but if they do something you can tell is stupid, don't automatically believe that you should do it. Maybe they have a reason to do it, but practice that technique with a resisting opponent to see if it works. One major problem I see in martial arts, whether it is traditional or modern, is people blindly following their instructor.

    3. Use knives. Cook your own food, cut things, and actually get experience cutting with knives.

    4. Maybe take fencing. A fencing thrust can be done with a knife and even many people with knife training won't easily deal with the speed of such a thrust.

    5. Realize that some systems are optimized for certain blades and won't always translate well to others. A pocketknife, a dagger, and a Bowie are very different and not everything that works well with one will work with another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacti Rat View Post
    Janich (MBC) has been teaching biomechanical targeting in one form or another for a while, but it fails the dedicated attacker test.
    Agreed. I think it is decent stuff to know and even practice, but the ability to simply stab hard, fast, and repeatedly is more important.


    On a related note, I recently taught a virtual seminar on using the Heretic. Of course a lot of material is specific to the Heretic, but a lot of it can be applied to knives, big or small. There was a lot of emphasis in the seminar on how/what to practice, and all of that is applicable to knives and will make you better at fighting with them.

    I am loading a series of videos from the seminar material to YouTube and will announce when it’s done. These vids are private and will only be shared with those who have purchased them.


    Edited to add...+1 to everything Benjamin said. Good post.
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