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    Default Giving up resisting the J Frame

    Ok, I've been beat down. I want one. What is considered the best new model out there? The only revolver I own is a 357 single action vaquero because by God I live in West Texas. I'm seeing the merits of a J Frame. Please help a novice. Much appreciated.
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    I would consider the S&W M&P 340. It’s more expensive than the 442/642 but the sights and longer cylinder make it simply outstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanNobody View Post
    I would consider the S&W M&P 340. It’s more expensive than the 442/642 but the sights and longer cylinder make it simply outstanding.
    Thank you Jonathan.
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    One is definitely on my bucket list too!
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    I will agree with Jonathan (no, we are not the same person...only share a lot of the same DNA). The S&W 340 M&P is probably the pinnacle of the J-frame. It is a buy once, cry once experience as it is $300 more than a simple 442 or 642. However, there are definitely reasons to go with the 357 Magnum length cylinder, even if you will only ever shoot 38 special through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisNobody View Post
    I will agree with Jonathan (no, we are not the same person...only share a lot of the same DNA). The S&W 340 M&P is probably the pinnacle of the J-frame. It is a buy once, cry once experience as it is $300 more than a simple 442 or 642. However, there are definitely reasons to go with the 357 Magnum length cylinder, even if you will only ever shoot 38 special through it.
    Thanks Chris. Appreciate you guys. You made the decision easy. Now I will have to learn how to use it after I get it.
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    I'm not very good with model numbers, they just don't stick in my head (and I'm traveling right now and don't have any Jframes with me). But Jonathan and Chris have already covered that.

    I mentioned on the other thread, if you get one J-frame it should be with the shrouded hammer. For J-frame applications, it's useful in more circumstances. There's no hammer to snag on clothes during a draw, no hammer to foul when pressing the trigger while the gun is in a jacket pocket.

    There are new models that come without the internal lock. These are a better choice if you can find them, the trigger is better out of the box. I have had some internal lock guns modified to disable the lock and improve the trigger, but they still aren't as good as no-lock guns.

    I still like exposed hammer J-frames for certain things. They aren't ideal for pocket carry, but I think they are a decent choice for the ankle. But I'd prioritize a shrouded hammer model.


    EDITED TO ADD: As I understand, the internal lock guns are more difficult for gun smiths to work on and improve the trigger. I'm not sure what exactly makes it different but they just aren't the same even when they've been improved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Yamamoto View Post
    I'm not very good with model numbers, they just don't stick in my head (and I'm traveling right now and don't have any Jframes with me). But Jonathan and Chris have already covered that.

    I mentioned on the other thread, if you get one J-frame it should be with the shrouded hammer. For J-frame applications, it's useful in more circumstances. There's no hammer to snag on clothes during a draw, no hammer to foul when pressing the trigger while the gun is in a jacket pocket.

    There are new models that come without the internal lock. These are a better choice if you can find them, the trigger is better out of the box. I have had some internal lock guns modified to disable the lock and improve the trigger, but they still aren't as good as no-lock guns.

    I still like exposed hammer J-frames for certain things. They aren't ideal for pocket carry, but I think they are a decent choice for the ankle. But I'd prioritize a shrouded hammer model.
    Thank you Brent.
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    KEEPING AN EYE OUT FOR YOU GUYS FOR M&P 340'S AS WELL AS THE 340 PD'S, EVERYTHING IS STILL SCARCE RIGHT NOW, SO UNLESS PAYNE HAS SOME IN HIS SHOP HE WANTS TO LET GO OF, IT'LL BE A WAIT

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    What the M&P 340 gives is pretty impressive, but not free. Hereís what Iíve capitalized on since carrying one daily for I think about two years:
    • Excellent, high visibility day/night sights with tritium and white outline
    • Two part, sleeved barrel with perfect cylinder gap and tension
    • Concealed, internal hammer allowing very high hold
    • No lock
    • .357 Magnum-length cylinder precludes binding if low-weight bullets work loose during recoil (.38 Special +P)
    • Ability to shoot .357 Magnum if desired
    • Revolver built and advertised for unlimited .357 Magnum and .38 Special +P - this means something when one wears out a 442
    • Excellent trigger


    Yes, it costs more than a 442, but nice things cost money. Also, the scandium body and barrel shroud, combined with the PVD-coated stainless cylinder, means it wonít rust and is truly a NPE-ready asset.

    Just buy one.

    Actually, buy one and take the J-Frame class from SI thatíll hopefully materialize this Fall. Iíve heard Jon Payneís work in this area is legendary.
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