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    Default Lethal range of buckshot-collateral damage

    For a while the shotgun kept behind the door has been loaded with number 4 buck since its ability to do damage at a distance is much less than that of larger buckshot and certainly less than a 9mm pistol or a rifle.

    I looked at ballistic chart for buck velocities vs distance and found the following https://brassfetcher.com/Shotguns/Ma.../Buckshot.html


    #4 is still lethal at a hundred yards, but almost any obstacle such as a privacy fence would greatly slow it down.

    Still a lot of factors to consider and I am still thinking about related issues and its use.
    Last edited by barnetmill; 02-24-2021 at 09:54 AM.

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    Well if this isn’t one of the most Ayoobian things I have ever seen I don’t know what is.
    I carry two kinds of trauma kits. One for fixing it and one for causing it.

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    Looks like 00 holds up better but fewer shot in the shell.
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    Years ago on a deer drive in palmetto grass in Florida we found blood in the grass fresh blood and it wasn’t from anything we shot so we followed it and kicked up a doe, she broke from cover and hauled ass across an opening, I had a 12 gauge with 00 buck, at my first shot she was about 60 yards away, first shot knocked her down and she got back up and changed directions and my second shot knocked her down to stay at a paced off 77 yards.
    Nothing to do with combat , but I was very surprised that several pellets hit her at 60ish and almost 80 yards. Now it was a long barreled full choke shotgun but - 00 buck can be lethal at distance. And that same gun and load was hell on wheels on many many deer drives from MI cedar swamps to southern Boggs .
    In my house or if I lived in a neighborhood I’d give the same attention to possible collateral damage with buckshot as a rifle or handgun round.
    I’ve been flamed here for this statement before but I don’t need nor seek anyone’s approval for things I’ve tested myself- me and the misses both rely on modern battle axes -the 12 gauge with attached light for our bump in the night weapons. They are loaded with #5 lead shot and buckshot in the butt cuff. At room distance- our rooms a small cabin style farm house it’s a devastating load on flesh and has not much gas’s left after two sheets of drywall with insulation in between.
    Before you scoff at the idea shoot a beef shoulder with blue jeans over it at 9 feet . It’s like a frangible slug. Also shoot a framed wall with insulation in between the two sheets of drywall, some bbs may make it through the second sheet but I found them laying in the snow on the other side. Some piece of mind with the kids bedrooms on the opposite side of the house.

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    Thanks Nagantguy. Your thinking is not too different from mine. For a shotgun you match your ammo to needs of where and what you are going to shoot with it. We do have a flow diagram of when to apply deadly force under conditions of world with rule of law but not for what weapons we choose; it seems to be up to the individual to chose what is to be deployed.
    I just found out that a bear was seen emerging from my property where it meets a substantial creek/wet forest. The dogs for several months have been going berserk at something on the other side of the fence. The bear was described as a young one, perhaps if it came inside the property a couple of farm bulldogs could kill it. Maybe not and I might have to put it down to save the dogs from getting into a mauling fight with a bear.
    While some seem be ok with it, I do not plan putting a .308 through a neighbor's bedroom wall.
    Someone I shoot with that use to do a lot bird hunting put some special loads together. Some of the loads while shooting tight were still fine for hitting water fowl in the air; he made some much tighter patterning loads of number 2 lead shot that would kill cripples with on the water out to 70 yards.
    Different from shooting rioters attacking your car with a tac 14 short barrel shotgun.
    Buckshot normally spreads quite a bit, but still with double ought a hit with one or two pellets is possible at long range. There are the flight control loadings from federal that are based on the aerodynamic drag slowing the shotcup causing the shot to be expelled from the cup makings a tighter pattern is the claim. My friend with his number 2 tight patterning handloads was doing the same thing, but in a different way. I will trade him some factory 00 Buck for a few of his rounds and break them down for study.
    Very tight patterns are typically used in turkey hunting for headshots. At 50 yards night can one do head shots on a bear etc with number four buck is my thinking? This would be meat on the metal. No rifle sights, but a laser would not be out of the question.
    All this is speculative at moment.


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    With a proper fitting stock, at night and on a moving target even without wide pattern, the shotgun does better.

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