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  1. #41
    I picked up a Galil ACE .308 for $999 ($1050 after shipping + FFL fee) the other day. Haven't shot it yet, but the reviews seem favorable. I'll let you know how it runs.
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    My current answer for myself for the best combination of quality and price is to go with the LaRue kit. For the ultimate in reliability I might add the POF E2 chamber treatment, since extraction problems seem to be common with the AR-10 platform. (they will do it to any gun you send in for $149, not just the ones they make) You can add the LaRue suppressor to the package for only another $400, and it was designed to not produce a lot of back pressure so it would pair well without needing to mess with the gas too much. It's not as cheap as PSA but for a serious DMR build it's probably hard to beat from what I have seen.

    I think 300 Blackout is cool, but for me it's primarily for SBRs and/or being sneaky quiet.

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    The issue (pressure) with M1 Garand (and a real M14) isn't chamber pressure of modern hunting round/match rounds. It's gas port pressure. If the ammo company uses powders that are slower than say, IMR4064, the gas port pressures move into a range that is above the design pressures and starts stressing gas system parts and slamming the bolt back into receiver.

    The M1A (Springfield Armory) has a cast receiver not forged, so while it may be strong enough for what most of use it for it's still not as strong as a true M14 receiver.

    The most accurate load I ever shot through my M1A back in the early 80's used IMR4350 power, federal BR primers and Sierra 180 grain Match Kings. Hand sized groups at 600 yds. Compressed load of slow burning powder that was well under the max. chamber pressure. Gave it up after the second cracked operating rod. As they say, your mileage may vary.

    Second plug for the GII. Look up some reviews on accuracy and reliability.

    And, remember, there is no GI spec for .308 AR's so parts compatibility can be an issue if you shop around buying parts from multiple makers/sources. If you build, be sure to contact vendors/makers and have a conversation about parts compatibility.

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    Just a quick note, I'll follow later tonite. If youre gonna go the M1a route then seriously look at either LRB or Fulton. Springfield isn't Springfield anymore, they are just a name. Ive been running a LRB M1a set up like a 90s era M21, for about a year now in PRS matches. It certainly better than me. My next M1a will likely be a Fulton; but there are a few LRB models that are calling me.

    Honestly the cool factor (old car factor) is hot but the M1a is a limited design in modern fighting gun designs. Scope or more importantly day scope + a clip on night vision monocle is almost impossible. Perhaps its because Im currently on a NV quest; but having a fighting rifle that's only useable in daylight is only half a gun.....OK maybe not but; it IS limiting. I LIKE M1a's, I really do but they are in the same class as the G3, FAL, etc. Yes they still perform but they aren't the best currently available (think using a Win 1897 as a fighting gun). Don't let that stop you from buying using one; just be informed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babue View Post
    Since it has been brought up. I think the 6.5 Grendel used as your DMR rifle gives you everything the 308 does at extended ranges without the big AR10 size package. Ammo is easy to get on line or most big box stores. Use metal mags for the Grendel and MagPul's for the 5.56. Just build a quality upper and use an AR15 lower you already have. With a quality barrel and build you have a .5 to .75 MOA rifle, with reasonably priced factory ammo.
    He wants a 30 cal and I am sure we all know about the 6.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Payne View Post
    A simple build from Aero Precision topped with a mid-range optic filled that niche for me.
    When Jon showed me this rifle, I didn't immediately recognize it as an AR10. The Aero M5 is light and sleek enough that it can almost pass for an AR15.

    I recently built an 18" 5.56 as a precision/DMR/SPR rifle, and pretty quickly determined that it isn't worth the added weight. The heavy barrel, UBR stock, and big glass make it a very specialized gun. It loses the nimbleness that an AR15 should have. My hope had been to have a precision gun that could be pressed into service for CQB if necessary. Ultimately, though, I would rather have my SCAR 17 for CQB than the 18" 5.56.

    The SCAR 17 has a compromise of its own. I like the gun very much overall, but I would like it better if it had two more inches of barrel. 18" is a good compromise barrel length for a .308. 16" is a little too short; 20" starts to feel long. Mags are heavy but otherwise perfect. The side-folding stock allows it to pack down much smaller than competing rifles. Maintenance is a breeze.

    If I were building a .30 today, it would be an Aero M5 with an 18" .308 barrel. It's almost as light as a 16" AR15. It sacrifices some maneuverability for vastly extended range. (This gun should be a 1000y competitor. The SCAR, with a 16" barrel, falls off at 900y.) Mags are cheap and plentiful. You have full discretion on parts, so you can build it exactly to your tastes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LawDog View Post
    When Jon showed me this rifle, I didn't immediately recognize it as an AR10. The Aero M5 is light and sleek enough that it can almost pass for an AR15.

    I recently built an 18" 5.56 as a precision/DMR/SPR rifle, and pretty quickly determined that it isn't worth the added weight. The heavy barrel, UBR stock, and big glass make it a very specialized gun. It loses the nimbleness that an AR15 should have. My hope had been to have a precision gun that could be pressed into service for CQB if necessary. Ultimately, though, I would rather have my SCAR 17 for CQB than the 18" 5.56.

    There are a couple of techniques that make this easier but all in all, CQB with a full sized rifle sucks. This is why my 18" is a dedicated DMR/GPR field gun with a 1-6x optic

    The SCAR 17 has a compromise of its own. I like the gun very much overall, but I would like it better if it had two more inches of barrel. 18" is a good compromise barrel length for a .308. 16" is a little too short; 20" starts to feel long. Mags are heavy but otherwise perfect. The side-folding stock allows it to pack down much smaller than competing rifles. Maintenance is a breeze.

    If I were building a .30 today, it would be an Aero M5 with an 18" .308 barrel. It's almost as light as a 16" AR15. It sacrifices some maneuverability for vastly extended range. (This gun should be a 1000y competitor. The SCAR, with a 16" barrel, falls off at 900y.) Mags are cheap and plentiful. You have full discretion on parts, so you can build it exactly to your tastes.

    This is the way and reason I'm leaning towards, my 18" 5.56 Recce runs out at around 700 for an absolute max even with the heavier projectile and my 7mm rem mag is a 12-1400m gun so I feel like I have a gap between the two for the 500-1000 envelope
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    My vote is M1A Scout or SOCOM for all of the same reasons you like it, Greg. Put a red dot optic on it and call it good. You're not sniping or shooting Camp Perry matches with it... but you never know when you may have to go "Daylight's End" on somebody...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IANative View Post
    My vote is M1A Scout or SOCOM for all of the same reasons you like it, Greg. Put a red dot optic on it and call it good. You're not sniping or shooting Camp Perry matches with it... but you never know when you may have to go "Daylight's End" on somebody...
    This is how I had my Socom set up. For some stupid reason I convinced myself that I needed a better optic to take full advantage of the caliber. At that point the scope-mounting hassles of the M1A platform kicked in and I was off chasing squirrels. I've landed on an Aero 18" with a 3-9 scope but I'm not a bit convinced I wouldn't have been better off to stick with the red dot Socom and leave my distance shooting to other platforms than the 308 semi-auto...Maybe one of each to scratch all the itches.
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    Ah. If the envelope you are after is 500 to 1000 then that means you need to decide ar10 or m14. Good deal.
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