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Tegnerfan
09-23-2005, 03:53 PM
I have read a great deal lately on the positive effects of using HeavyHands to increase your overall conditiong.Anyone have any positive results fron heavyhands?

Ragsbo
09-23-2005, 04:29 PM
Excuse my ignorance, what is heavy hands?

Tegnerfan
09-23-2005, 06:10 PM
They are basicaly a handheld weight that is used to exercise the upper body while doing walking or jogging in order to increase the intensity of the exercise.It was developed by Dr. Len Schwartz in the 80's, and he is in phenominal shape at an advanced age.

John McKean
09-24-2005, 07:25 AM
Tegnerfan, I was fortunate in being one of Dr. Len Schwartz's first "guinea pigs" to apply his heavyhands training procedures to competitive weightlifting and to combative training. His "shadowboxing" use of light dumbbells,especially,will add the snap and endurance to all training,allowing long ,productive,injury free work to whatever may be your main chosen training concentration.HH is infinitely better than the old fashioned calisthenics,which some profit moguls, have recently been selling back to trainees!And it can easily be modified to be "move specific "to fit strikes & manuevers in any style.In my case,I originally used HH to warm for lifting,discovered greatly renewed fitness and training eneergy past 40 yrs of age and went on to win numerous national & world all-round weightlifting competitions (and will be lifting again in the IAWA world championships in 3 weeks,at nearly 60 yrs of age).Same with combative training-other younger instructors, and our students, seemed amazed that I could remain fresh at the end of 8 hour training days, and would then lift heavy in the evening.

Tegnerfan
09-24-2005, 09:29 AM
John, that was great to read a first hand account.Did you notice any results with weight loss or your overall fitness? I understand it is second to none for losing fat and increasing aerobic fitness.

John McKean
09-24-2005, 09:45 AM
Yes,the HH system is great for weight loss,and seems so easy and natural that it literally becomes addicting!Originally I used it to get back into powerlifting & olympic lifting at the masters level(over 40 yrs of age),and figured it would be good to reduce from 162 down to 148.With my usual overexhuberence, I soon found myself competing at 132 and felt great,taking national masters titles in both powerlifting and olympic lifting(the complexities of the latter being just learned-not a great idea-at 42).One year I even dropped to 123 to compete in the national masters olympic weightlifting meet(won) and in the first world's masters olympic meet(bronze medal).I felt great at 132-the energy of a teenager-,but was way too skinny from my normal lifting weight(165).Thru the past 18 yrs in training the heavy lifts of all rounds I'm now just over 170(this bwt for the purpose of the records I've been shooting for), and still feel great from daily HH warmup work.However ,after the World's all-rounds will HH myself down to about 160 by my 60th birthday-feel this will be my ideal weight into "early middle age"!!

Tegnerfan
09-24-2005, 01:05 PM
Thanks for sharing that John.I have recently been told by my doctor to lose 25lbs as according to the BMI chart I am almost obese.This is due to 31 years of weight training.I was 200 lbs,and am down to 192.I am not fat, but would like to be a little leaner and I think HeavyHands is part of the answer.I have his original book and am in the process of studying it.I plan to incorporate combat strikes as part of the arm motions.Thanks again for the info-appreciate it!

John McKean
09-24-2005, 01:30 PM
Tegnerfan,Try to also locate Dr. Len's second book "Heavyhands Walking" for more incite(and see a neat writeup he gave about my weightlifting!).In recent years Doc Schwartz developed a WEIGHTLESS HH system,which he uses himself (at 80 !),that goes along superbly with shadowboxing and combative training-I wrote an article on it that appears on the site : www.urbancombatives.com .

michael
09-24-2005, 03:29 PM
I've used HH's,but never was real impressed with the results. They're okay for a warm-up, but I think they are way too light to do much. YMMV.

You should really look at www.crossfit.com if it is lean fitness you are after. There is nothing better, IMO.

Tegnerfan
09-24-2005, 06:33 PM
John that was a very good article,and a very good site! Its' funny, but since I started doing the Charles Atlas course a few months back, I was doing some of those exercises for the chop and chin jab, and they really help! Good article, hope you post more.

Chicago
09-24-2005, 08:21 PM
John,
Thanks for an excellent article. I am going to incorporate that workout into my training. I trained with John McSweeney several years ago and learned his Tiger Moves system and found that very useful as well.

Cold War Scout
10-05-2005, 05:12 AM
I use them extensively as part of my "Street Combat Conditioning™" system.

Wylycoyte
10-05-2005, 07:42 AM
John,
Thanks for an excellent article. I am going to incorporate that workout into my training. I trained with John McSweeney several years ago and learned his Tiger Moves system and found that very useful as well.


Where at? I used to attend his classes when he was in Elmhurst years ago.

Chicago
10-05-2005, 04:28 PM
Wyly-John McSweeney used to do one or two seminars a year at Degerberg Academy in Chicago and I took his seminars there. I wish I had trained with him at his Elmhurst school, but I believe he retired and sold the school several years before he died.

Wylycoyte
10-05-2005, 04:37 PM
Wyly-John McSweeney used to do one or two seminars a year at Degerberg Academy in Chicago and I took his seminars there. I wish I had trained with him at his Elmhurst school, but I believe he retired and sold the school several years before he died.


Yeah, he moved to FL and taught there for a while after he sold the school. There was a fellow whose last name I can never remember who was going to take it over...a fairly young guy (at the time) named Chris IIRC.

mudvillejon
10-07-2005, 10:13 AM
I have been watching the series 'Rome' on HBO, which seems like the perfect combination of action, violence, soft porn, and history. Who could ask for anything more?

I remembered reading somewhere that the Roman Legionaries practiced with wooden weapons that were significantly heavier than their real weapons. I was thinking about where to post this tidbit for discussion when I saw this thread and it seemed like a good fit.

heavy hands seems like the same idea. I have often sought out larger heavier opponents for Judo training, and joked that when you pair up with a normal sized person afterwards, it is like someone switched on the turbo charger.

It seems that this could be applicable in a number of ways. Carrying weight, or practicing with a tactical load or back pack on. Using heavier dummy weapons for training etc.

Elliott
10-08-2005, 08:04 PM
John thanks for the article, I just got back today from a tactical pistol class level II. After shooting about 800-900 rounds in various situations I find myself with sore muscles. It was a good class. The instructor is a California SWAT instructor one comment he made was the last SWAT class he taught only 15 out of 32 graduated. The two main reasons were physical conditioning and marksmanship. I think I will use heavy hands in my training before I take level three.