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Gabriel Suarez
12-09-2003, 06:23 PM
Wives, Girlfriends, and Daughters. We live for 'em...and as men-at-arms we are willing to die for them. They need to know how to fight and win just as much as any Marine or SWAT cop as they are most often chosen as victims by our enemies.

Those of you with Wives, Girlfriends, or Daughters - tell 'em there's a place for them to gather and exchange notes about this stuff.

I can promise you that they will be treated with courtesy and kindness and will never be disrespected or spoken down to. THAT is my guarantee.

John Silver
12-09-2003, 07:00 PM
I'm a bit ho-hum about adding categories. If people want to talk about something, they'll find a place to put it.

But, I think this new forum of "Female Warriors" meets a real need. I don't know anyplace else on the web where someone could find a decent place to send the ladies in their life for real, down-to-earth info without having to worry about hearing all of the "now, let me tell you how things are, Little Missy" boarishness that we gun guys are known for.

Thumbs up! I hope this one gets some use.

Bodfish
12-09-2003, 07:03 PM
I strongly agree!

MTS
12-09-2003, 09:01 PM
Gabe,

I like the idea of the section but may I suggest a name change;

VALKYRES :)

Or have I been sniffing too much napalm in the mornings?:rolleyes:

Vig Creed
12-10-2003, 01:35 PM
Most guys underestimate "real women". My wife is a good looking, petite, blue-eyed blonde who hunts deer and elk (she got a running elk this year with one shot at 322 lasered yards!) and shoots cowboy matches.

creed

Trace Heskett
12-10-2003, 01:56 PM
Historically, the valkyries were deployed when someone died to act as a warrior escort to valhalla. Why in the world would we want the symbology of the forum to be demon women who only come out when someone dies?

One of the problems women have, is being taken seriously when discussing defensive topics. I've taken my share of defensive classes i.e. firearms, self-defense, survival training etc. and I've been very under-whelmed with the attitudes and the caliber of the instructors and training.

What I'd like to see in this forum is interchange about topics that women have in common. Gabe's wife, Cheryl, and I sit around and talk about concealed carry purses, where and what we would carry and the drawbacks of using equipment designed for men with the various sizes of womens bodies etc.

I don't want to exclude the men from the discussion, though. We have a lot of smart people on Warrior Talk who can offer up intelligent solutions regardless of where their reproductive organs reside.

MTS
12-10-2003, 04:25 PM
Historically, the valkyries were deployed when someone died to act as a warrior escort to valhalla. Why in the world would we want the symbology of the forum to be demon women who only come out when someone dies?
Trace,

I must call you out on this. They were not demons

Valkyries were the maidens of Odin (some legends say they were his daughters;) ) who were mostly the daughters of goddesses but on occasion Odin would be so impressed by the spirit of an earth maiden that he would let her join the ranks of the Valkyries.

They were warriors themselves and prized as wives.

Yes, they did choose who was to die in battle and then take the slain warrior to Valhalla but they did so at the orders of Odin. He foresaw a great battle coming (Ragnarokk) that would decide the fate of the world and needed an army of warriors next to him.

They chose only the bravest and when they tapped a warrior on his shoulder in the middle of battle he knew that he had been chosen to join Odin in Valhalla. He fought on until he was killed and then was taken to Asgard by the Valkyrie on her horse.

There the hero resided in Valhalla being tended to by the Valkyries at night (food and drink that is, no mention of anything else:rolleyes: ) and fighting each other during the day to hone their skills.

Then when the time came the chosen warriors joined the gods on the field of battle against the forces of darkness and prevailed even though they knew they were doomed to die in the process.

You sir are a cad! You have impugned their honor! SMACK! (sound of hand slapping monitor)

I demand satisfaction! I challenge you to a duel! Pistols at dawn!

Gabe, will you be my second?

MTS
12-10-2003, 04:26 PM
Most guys underestimate women. My wife is a good looking, petite, blue-eyed blonde, and a soloist in the church choir. She also packs a Glock-19 and hunts deer and elk (she got a running elk this year with one shot at 322 lasered yards!), and shoots cowboy matches.

Woe unto any BG's who make the mistake of assuming she is an easy target, or that I don't have back-up.

creed

Vig Creed,

Any more like her at home?:)

michael
12-10-2003, 07:47 PM
Vig Creed,

Any more like her at home?:)
Yeah, the one that divorced me a few years ago.:( She could outshoot about any man I know,and look good doing it!:(

georgel
12-11-2003, 10:36 PM
I've heard that Vickie Farnum has a book that addresses women's training issues. It's supposed to be focused on instructors and training methodologies. I haven't seen a copy yet, but I understand it's a really good book.

Kilroy
12-12-2003, 07:13 AM
I've heard that Vickie Farnum has a book that addresses women's training issues. It's supposed to be focused on instructors and training methodologies. I haven't seen a copy yet, but I understand it's a really good book.

I would strongly vouch for Vicki's book. If one ever gets the chance to take her block of instruction, she has some very interesting ways to get a variety of training points across to instructors, thereby allowing those who instruct to assist every student as much as possible.

FedDC
12-12-2003, 07:24 PM
To quote one of my favorite movies: "Where da white women at?" ;)

Dave T
12-13-2003, 03:40 PM
I have trained quite a few women, both at my department before retiring and since in my civilian CCW classes. One of the biggest problems I see women have is their husbands/boy friends. About 60-70% of the time, when hubby picks out a gun/load/holster/grips/what ever for "the little woman" it is the wrong choice.

Worst case example is the over whelming propencity of men to decide a 2", five shot 38 Special is just the thing for "her". Better yet is the Airweight or UltraLite version of the same thing.

A 2" J-Frame revolver is difficult for an experienced shooter to manage well. How on earth do they expect a beginner or someone with little experience to do well with the damn things. And if she isn't successful and doesn't enjoy the experience, she won't practice or go shooting with you Bub!

I always hear the argument that revolvers are "simple" and "reliable". Well wake up and smell the nitrocelleous guys. There are simple and reliable semiautos out there too (Glock 9mms come to mind). In my experience most people do better (learn faster) with semiautos.

To add to this, I can't tell you how many women have shown up with a J-Frame, having never fired a gun before, and hubby will hand them a box of +P 38 Specials on the theory that "she has to get used to it".

I won't go into the poor holster choices that have been recommended but I must tell you about one lady who showed up for the range session with a nice K-frame S&W. Trouble was it was sporting the largest set of "target" stocks I had ever seen. The thumb rest was so large it made it almost impossible to access the cylinder. What was her husband thinking???

The other thing that bugs me as an instructor is the guy who shows up for class with a high dollar or customized what-ever and his wife or girlfriend has a used Taurus 38 that hasn't been cleaned. I often wonder just how important these women and girls are to some of these - well I won't call them gentleman.

Guys, the woman in your life diserves the best equipment, suited to her ability and preferences, not your left overs and hand-me-downs.

sponge
12-14-2003, 04:29 AM
I go along with a semi being easier to learn. But I still find most women are not comfortible with the big butt the semi auto has compared to a revolver. As an enthusiast myself I have moved to a revolver from a semiauto and have let 2 women handle a BHP and a 1911 and they thought they were to big in the butt(my main reason for liking revolvers too). And they are even much less into guns compared to myself. For the ladies I would recomend a .357 j-frame and light specials for practice (maybe even a .22 revolver for practice)and a training program emphasizing "mind-set" and delaying movements. I still like the revolver vs auto comparison as it brings forth the only remaining advantage of the revolver...The small handle. And a revolver would be more likely to work out of the box(but have not the experience to be sure of this though).

If anyone can recomend a good auto with very small handle and a lite consistant trigger I am interested in knowing?

And I would like to see this section of WT find some ladies but do not know of any who like to talk guns. When I went to public shooting ranges I seen a few so I know they are out there. But they seemed to be more interested in shooting than talking guns(oh I would have had much to say).

Haunted Rebel
12-15-2003, 05:01 PM
If anyone can recomend a good auto with very small handle and a lite consistant trigger I am interested in knowing?



Well, I'll vote for the glock 26. It's very easy for me to shoot, and the finger grooves fit my small hands well.

Haunted Rebel

Hasher
12-15-2003, 09:37 PM
If anyone can recomend a good auto with very small handle and a lite consistant trigger I am interested in knowing?


HMMMM

The Kahr series of autos

HK P7M8

Single Stack 1911 with slimline grips 9mm 40 or 45 you can install the short trigger to help with trigger reach

Star SS 380 (yeah I know its a 380 but it does actually meet his criteria)

BHp

CZ Clones

kforbus
12-17-2003, 06:33 AM
I think this is a great idea. My girl freind is small and has taken up shooting and concealed carry. We first settled on a Smith J Frame in 357(or 38's) she then shot someone Glock 22, then it all went down hill. She likes the pistol but has difficulty hiding it. We have tried many different holsters and due to the hips they either force the gun outward at the grip or inward to far. I hope this grows and i too will get her the book for X-mas.

Oregon Tim
12-20-2003, 08:09 AM
A book my wife recommends is "Effective Defense" (http://www.firearmsacademy.com/book.htm) by Gila Hayes. The book is very effective covering women's defense issues and especially firearms from a very basic starting point up to more advanced ideas/tactics.

As far as firearms, my wife started with the 357/38 revolver did OK with it but it really beat up her hand. She shot 2 different 9mm Sigs for a while. Then she tried the 40 cal Glocks to keep all of our guns the same caliber as my duty gun. She currently is shooting the Glock 19 (9mm as the 40 was a bit much for her). She outshoots me for accuracy most of the time and really is happy with it. Now she has to find the holster with the right curves for her.

Sashly
12-26-2003, 03:39 PM
Hey, where is my christmas gift? I guess I'll have to order the book myself :-)

Timber Wolf
12-27-2003, 03:50 PM
A book my wife recommends is "Effective Defense" (http://www.firearmsacademy.com/book.htm) by Gila Hayes. The book is very effective covering women's defense issues and especially firearms from a very basic starting point up to more advanced ideas/tactics....

Gila's book is very good. It was required reading when I took my first class at "FAS" (http://www.firearmsacademy.com/book.htm)- both for men and women. I read the required parts while taking the class and went back and read the entire book later. Gives a good vantage point on dealing with female students.

And Gila was an excellent instructor - am looking forward to taking another FAS class.

TW

afgirl
10-27-2004, 01:29 PM
I have some (read: very limited and poor) training on the M-16 as I not only went through basic but got to carry an M-16 every day for 6 mos as an augmentee to the MPs. Now, I will be the first to tell you that I know NOTHING about guns... However, I am willing and eager to learn. I am currently probably one of the worst shots you'll ever come across, not helped by the fact that the M-16 weighs about 7lbs more than I can handle... The last time I was at the range I think I hit the targets 20 times out of 40 rounds... pretty sad.
I think I can go sign up to shoot the 9 mil at the military range but I've already seen how wonderfully interested they are in being helpful and teaching me to shoot (Not at all) and I would rather figure this one out on my own... Any ideas on where to start? I currently reside in the Honolulu, HI area. Appreciate your advice. ~Rachel

MTS
10-27-2004, 02:29 PM
afgirl,

Gabe usually is in Hawaii once a year teaching a class. I looked at his schedule and next year he has an Interactive Gunfighting Class (Airsoft) scheduled in July;

http://www.suarezinternational.com/interactivegunfight.html

He has Close Range Gunfighting I in January in Los Angeles and CRG II in LA in April, if you can make the mainland.

In the meantime you might check with the NRA or some of the local gunshops to see if they have any basic NRA courses going. These are good as you will learn basic operation, loading/unloading, range safety, etc.

Hope this helps.:)

Gerald Bailey
10-30-2004, 04:32 AM
I have seen some strnage things on the range in Cape Town. One was a 5'10 young man with a 357 magnum, satin nickled !! showing his "little" lady how to shoot this canon. I was behind the sound proof door and it made my ears ring. This poor young lady hated every second of the shoot. This is something that we have to prevent when we see it. Taking a lady to the range can be the best time of your life or the worst. Took my ex girlfreind to the range some time ago, when we were still going out, man she acted as though she knew everything and I couldn't tell her squat !!!


Main thing is to be a professional gentleman who displells the rambo image which hollywood seems to support.