Surefire X200?

[Size15s]

Originally Posted by Omega

By the way I finally got an answer to my question. Only the new X200D will fit directly onto a handgun rail, non of their other lights will fit directly without some funky adapter that screws to your trigger guard. I guess they are lacking in their engineering department...

Well whoever answered your question didn't have a clue.

Currently, there are two versions of the X200 -

X200A - Ambidextrous switch

X200D - Dev Grp Inline pressure switch & Ambidextrous switch

The "A" version can be ordered from some dealers and the "D" version will follow shortly.

Both the "A" and "B" switches plates are interchangeable and both versions fit directly onto universal rails (such as Glock rails) with the supplied "U" latch and onto Picatinny rails with the supplied "P" latch.

The H&K rail will require an adapter (like the one that GG&G already make).

I've spoken with about a hundred or so people who have tried the X200A at the show and all (not most, all) said the ambidextrous switching of the X200 is significantly better than the right-handed switching of the Insight models for Streamlight, Glock or H&K. I spoke with these companies and they report no intention to release left-handed or ambidextrous versions of theie lights.

I guess that if you don't want to buy a SureFire X200A - that's great because there will be one more for all those who having been waiting for it.

I have plenty of photos of the X200A attached to various handguns. They will be online soon.

SureFire's booth was packed for the whole show. If you have any questions you can direct them to SureFire's Tech Support 800 828 8809 or if you email me, I will do my best to answer them for you.

Al

[Omega]

Posted by Size15s: (in bold)
Well whoever answered your question didn't have a clue.
Currently, there are two versions of the X200 -
X200A - Ambidextrous switch
X200D - Dev Grp Inline pressure switch & Ambidextrous switch

I apologize that I put the "D" behind the X200, but what I meant, as you confirmed, is only the X200 will fit directly to the Picatinny rail of some of the new pistols on the market. Kind of a limited product line don't you think? What if I want the option to have 120 to 225 lumen, well then you need to go to Insight?

Since you know a bit about their product line which weapons lights from SureFire will fit directly unto the integrated rail on my Sig P226R?

Will the 9v Millennium, nope?
Will the 6v Nitrolon, nope?
Will the 6v Military Series, nope?

Yeah, kind of limited as I said before...

By the way it was this guy that told me the only light from SureFire to fit directly to a Picatinny rail is the X200, I don't remember his name but I think he is/was a Huntington Beach LEO. Maybe you know more about their product line then him huh?

I must say though, this particular gentleman was polite and helpful, but this single gentleman cannot change my opinion of SureFire after the way I was treated in the booth by others and they way I have been treated by SureFire Customer service in the past and the way people I know have been treated by SureFire.

Besides, even your info about which lights doesn’t correspond to what the guy in the booth told me. At the show I was told there are 3 available; the ambi switch on the light itself, the DG switch against the frame, and a little stub slim line switch that will fit directly under the trigger guard to be activated by the off hand.

I've spoken with about a hundred or so people who have tried the X200A at the show and all (not most, all) said the ambidextrous switching of the X200 is significantly better than the right-handed switching of the Insight models for Streamlight, Glock or H&K. I spoke with these companies and they report no intention to release left-handed or ambidextrous versions of theie lights.

That’s funny when I was looking at the M3 & XM3 they had Ambi switches on them?

Insight M3X Activated from the Left


Insight M3X Activated from the Right


Please explain what you mean by right hand only switches; it appears you are either ignorant of their products, or are you just talking a shot at SureFire’s competition?

I guess that if you don't want to buy a SureFire X200A - that's great because there will be one more for all those who having been waiting for it.

This is exactly the attitude I sensed from SureFire towards civilians; ambivalence; like they want our money, but talking to insignificant civilians to answer their trivial questions was an annoyance. At least as an advocate &/or employee you are consistence and bring that attitude to the boards for all to see...

I’ll repeat myself, The only pistol mounted flashlight that SureFire sells that will fit directly onto a Picatinny rail found on many new handguns is the X200, none of their other lights will fit directly without some funky adapter that screws to your trigger guard. They also told me that have no immediate plans to mfg one that will either...

The quality of SureFire’s flashlights is only surpassed by their distain for their civilian customer base. I'm will buy an M3X or go without, as I will never give another Goddamn cent to that company, ever... At least not until they improve their customer service and recognize the importance of civilian customers, like I said never again...

Size15s, I apologize if my attitude is harsh it is nothing personal against you. I have been a loyal SF customer for years and love the quality and dependability of their products; I have multiple flashlights and shotgun mounted weapons lights. But lately have suffered from their bad attitude and lack of customer service, and it has completely turned me off. The only reason I was even in their booth was I figured maybe the customer service people on the phone are over worked and have a sour attitude so I decided to give them one more chance at the ShotShow but my concerns were only confirmed.

I know what it is like to deal with people on the phone in customer service, and work at these types of trade shows but that is no excuse.

Where I work I’m in the engineering department, Head of R&D for the past 3 years, and have had to take customer service overflow calls for the past 8 years. No I don’t enjoy it, but I’m polite and get the caller taken care of unlike how I’ve been treated by SF...

I have done the SEMA show in Las Vegas for the past 9 shows in a row, plus 3 to 4 other large trade shows around the country. SEMA is a much bigger and busier show than the ShotShow will ever be, the largest turnout in Vegas last year for any single show. I work for a aftermarket high performance automotive accessory mfg and our booth is also always full and we always make it a priority to be polite to everyone, limit the length of conversations to a reasonable time to get peoples questions/concerns answered, but maximize exposure to all the attendees who have questions.

I can see things from both sides, and I can see they don’t care about the civilian customer.

[Size15s]

I'm sorry, I assumed you intended to use the "X200D" and thought you were unhappy when told that the X200A would not mount directly onto the rail.

The fact that the Nitrolon, Millennium & Military Series WeaponLights mount via an adapter attached to the tigger guard is not new. The "news" from SureFire is that they have created the X200 WeaponLight that does mount directly to rails.

At peak output of 125 Lumens (or so Insight claim), the M3X looked to me like a despirate attempt to fix fundimental flaws in the M-3. So it becomes larger and will require new holsters. SureFire's X200A is smaller than the Nitrolon Series Handgun WeaponLights and fits the same holsters as the M-3, but the X200A is waterproof to 30 metres as standard; Hard Anodised inside and out as standard; comes with latches for Universal and Picatinny rails as standard; 90 minutes regulated output runtime; no bulb to break and ambidextrous switching.

With the Insight models for Streamlight, momentary switching is to move the switch down on one side or up on the other. Constant-on switching is to move the switch up on one side or down on the other.
With the X200A, momentary switching is to push either switch for instant on/off (the ability to flash the light), and constant-on switching is to move either switch up or down on either side.

No company offers the choice and output of handgun WeaponLights that SureFire does. Realistic Lumen output ratings need to be experienced along side other brands. Certainly comparing the beams after 20, 30, 40, 50 minutes constant-on is one of the better ways then trusting to marketing right?
Certainly the performance and reliability of SureFire is unmatched. Perhaps because SureFire are unwilling to cut corners where reliability is concerned even if this means making a larger light requiring an adapter.

With regards to the D switch option, the X200D I have seen feature a pressure switch that does differ from that of the SureFire Millennium & Military "DG" switch in that the "D" switch is more universal running directly under the trigger guard to be activated by the off hand as you said.
Of course, like other SureFires, there will be more switch options I'm sure. At this point in the production it appears SureFire is concentrating on releasing the two switch options that fit the widest range of firearms.

"I guess that if you don't want to buy a SureFire X200A - that's great because there will be one more for all those who having been waiting for it."
What I meant by my comment is that just because you don't want it, it doesn't mean everybody else doesn't either. You appear to have made your choice and posted your opinions giving us some indication why, and this is fine by me - especially since they are in such high demand. It's not that I (or SureFire) don't care about civilian users. If you have been a loyal SureFire user and lately they have not been performing as a company in the way you expect, perhaps you can talk to Mike Mayfield - SureFire Director of Operations & Customer Service?

My post was based on trying to correct what has now turned out to be a mix up with a SureFire model number and I hope this has been resolved now?

If you are interested in finding out whether SureFire have any handgun WeaponLight options for the Sig P226R (direct mount to the rail as you require), I suggest you contact SureFire Tech Support or one of their WeaponLight Specialists as I don't believe there are options unless you modify the latch on the light.

Al

[Omega]

Size15s,
I re-read my reply above and again aapologize, it was quite rude and you did nothing to be addressed in that manner. I would also like to compliment you on being polite after a rude post was directed at you.

I realize SureFire is the best game in town when it comes to weapons mounted flashlights. It is just that I don’t care for their customer service personally, and if a company won’t support me after I’ve spend hundreds of dollars why should I support them with my future purchases. It’s a shame too, as I really like there products and don’t mind spending money on quality gear.

For the time being I guess I’m stuck with a hand held light shooting from the Rogers or Harries positions.

[Size15s]

Thanks. SureFire appears to trigger strong emotions both for and against. I am certainly very passionate about SureFire.
I guess this means SureFire is something worth arguing about!

The X200 Series is the first step in the development of LED handgun WeaponLights. I would love to see 150-200 Lumen output from something the size of the X200. I don't think we're there yet though. Hopefully next year perhaps. Hopefully.

There are people who think that handheld lights are the best way for many applications. I certainly believe that a handgun WeaponLight should not mean you don't have a handheld light on you.

Al

[shooter]

I have been using a X-200 for several weeks and I like it.

I paid $131.00 at FBF in Oklahoma City. (Retail from SF is $250.00)

Mark

[vette114]

I just recieved my x-200 today and am thoroughly impressed. Since i have not had a reason to call up customer service at Surefire that has not been an issue for me.anyways, this light is perfect, i currently use a glock 22 and own a TRP Operator, I put the light on both and was impressed with the fit on both, i was a little concerned that the light was sticking out under the barrel on the glock just because i didnt want to see it get dirty. i was helping with defensive tactics with the local PD where several officers were using an M3, since i was the bad guy i got to see them in use and think that they really fall short of the x-200. I think that the output is perfect if not a little to bright for close quarters, i own the M3 Combatlight from surefire and think that 225 lumens with an LED would be far to intense if you were to accidentally gaze into the mirror and blind yourself. this light dazzles just as good as the M3 Combatlight if not better. anyways since i dont use it professionally at this point just from other experiences with lights i think the x-200 is perfect.

[skylineawd]

Does anyone know how to disassemble the bulb part of the X200? The O-ring right behind the lens has slid out of the area it is supposed to be in and is bunched up in the reflector area. Any idea how to fix this?

Shawn

[dogfacedan]

Have either of you ever used a h.o. zenon inside of a building ? Or an l.e.d. outside ? Dan.

[Chad]

Originally Posted by dogfacedan

Have either of you ever used a h.o. zenon inside of a building ? Or an l.e.d. outside ? Dan.

Who are you asking? Most of the posts are three years old

skylineawd,
I've not come across your problem before. Maybe an email to SF will get you some help.

Just twisting on mine I could not get the lens off. I'm wondering if the entire gizmo is sealed for the waterproof rating?

Let us know how it works out. I'm curious on how often the bulbs need replaced and what the drill is?

Chad