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    Default POLY 80 ILLEGAL IN CT

    HB 7219, entitled “An Act Concerning Ghost Guns,” prohibits an individual from completing a firearm without obtaining a unique serial number or other mark of identification from the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection within 30 days of completion and engraving it in a manner that conforms with the requirements imposed under federal law.


    It is now also unlawful to purchase, receive, sell, deliver or otherwise transfer an unfinished frame or lower receiver unless it has been given a serial number and is transferred in the same manner as your typical handgun.
    Violations are a Class C felony for which two years of the sentence imposed may not be suspended or reduced by the court, and five thousand dollars of the fine imposed may not be reduced unless the court states on the record its reasons for reducing the fine. That violation becomes a Class B felony if the person knows that the unfinished frame or lower receiver is stolen or that the manufacturer’s number or other mark of identification on such unfinished frame or lower receiver has been altered, removed or obliterated.
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    Inevitable.
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    Most are using the aluminum 80% frames rather than plastic for ARs. Perhaps the ATF may eventually require serial numbers to be done. It is much cheaper to buy a finished frame vs getting the jigs that are required to complete an 80%. The deal with there being no serial number is the entire reason for going through the exercise. A printed 3D frame made under normal circumstances will not hold up. Could change with future advances in technology.

    It is really not that hard to buy a second hand lower or complete gun from someone at a flea market or gunshow where neither of the two parties know each other. Since they have serial numbers but no paper work they are are almost as untraceable as the finished 80%. The ATF can if they want to track the purchasers of 80% lowers if they used the internet to do so. Those records if electronic tend to exist forever.
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    I know...I know...but from my POV, I am not going to worry too much about this...nor did I get upset about bumpstocks. Anything that keeps the cheap-shit-charlies out of the industry and the quality standards up, is good as far as i am concerned.
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    "Unfinished frame"....sounds unacceptably vague to me. No, I'm not willing to be the test case, but at some point ya gotta admit that an "unfinished frame" is indistinguishable from a lump of plastic/aluminium/what have you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Spade View Post
    "Unfinished frame"....sounds unacceptably vague to me. No, I'm not willing to be the test case, but at some point ya gotta admit that an "unfinished frame" is indistinguishable from a lump of plastic/aluminium/what have you.
    Maybe it like pornography in that you know it when you see it lol.
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    The Luty submachine is becoming found in english cities. Not made from 3D printing. The original luty was made from parts that one could pickup in hardware and autoshop parts stores. the original barrels were made from hydraulic tubing. the examples below appear to use parts intended for existing guns.

    I imagine eventually there will be regulations on what hardware stores can sell in Connecticut.
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    Other than (perhaps) the THREAT of punishment, laws like this don't stop or prevent anything; rather they just give the government a way to vent anger and retribution once the defendant is caught. If it had a preventative effect, there would be no crime in places like Baltimore, LA, Chicago.

    I have no love for 80% guns. I suppose there is some pleasure of "sticking it to the man" by building a gun without any paperwork; but I just don't see much more. Its in the same class as guys who make long bows out of PVC, it may be possible but not my first choice

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDELWEISS View Post
    Other than (perhaps) the THREAT of punishment, laws like this don't stop or prevent anything; rather they just give the government a way to vent anger and retribution once the defendant is caught. If it had a preventative effect, there would be no crime in places like Baltimore, LA, Chicago.

    I have no love for 80% guns. I suppose there is some pleasure of "sticking it to the man" by building a gun without any paperwork; but I just don't see much more. Its in the same class as guys who make long bows out of PVC, it may be possible but not my first choice

    A much wiser guy than I once told me, "when the time comes that you need to bury guns; its really time to dig them up..."
    The thought is at the time of the future absolute gun ban things are not bad enough to revolt. Usually the real bad times and the need of armed revolt follows such governmental acts once you are disarmed. It is not that hard for the government to figure out who likely has a lot of guns, but initially the feds are unlikely to go looking that hard for them.
    The converse is true, if you are so frightened that you buried your guns, they are not readily available for self defense.so even that is a partial victory for gun banning.
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    This is silly. On so many levels. First, home built guns are predominantly built by guys who like to build stuff, not by killers. It's not the best way to get a gun "discreetly" or cost effectively. Guys who want cheap can and should buy used guns. Those who want a weapon they can bet their life on can buy a Glock. Building it yourself adds cost and adds variables that may effect efficacy. Building your own gun is as good a way to spend some time puttering around your work shop as any. You get to go shooting when you are done. It's fun. That's that.

    Next point of absurdity, the CT legislation thinks they can stop anybody from building something in their garage? Yeah, ok.

    I could go on, but why.

    This is a victory of image over substance. The law will do what it was really meant to do. It gives politicians an "I did something" line to pitch to the voters. Pure sophistry.

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