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  1. #1
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    May 2000
    Beyond The Wall

    Default Sudaev PPS-43 submachine gun

    Sudaev PPS-43 submachine gun

    The PPS-43 (Pistolet-Pulemyot Sudaeva, model of 1943 = Sudaev SMG) was born as an answer to the need for more compact and handier weapon than its predecessor, the PPSh-41, then in use by Soviet Army. The PPSh-41 is a long weapon and also excessively heavy for what it is. Late in 1941, the Red Army issued a request for new, more compact SMG.

    The Inventor, Sudaev, initially designed his new SMG in 1942, and it was adopted under the designation of PPS-42. But the following year, he refined the design and the final model was designated as PPS-43. About 2 million PPS-43s were manufactured between 1943 and 1946. In late 1946, the focus had changed from SMGs to the assault rifle typified by the prolific AK-47. PPS-43 was also widely exported to pro-Soviet regimes around the world and widely copied.

    The PPS is a full-automatic only weapon, simple blowback, and is fired from the open bolt. The safety is located at the front of the trigger guard. The receiver and barrel shroud are made from stamped steel. Rear sight is L-shaped flip type and is marked for 100 and 200 meters distance, front sight is fixed blade type. The barrel is equipped with very simple muzzle brake. The folding stock is made from steel and folds up and over the top of the receiver. much for historical and technical discussions. I have long been fascinated by ComBloc weapons - particularly so, since these weapons are rarely seen in the USA. So it was a pleasure when friend and CEO of Red Jacket Firearms, Will Hayden gave me the opportunity to work with one.

    It is a common thing for writers to take a WW2 era weapon and then compare it to an HK MP5 or an FN P90. Other than to sell the guns that may advertise in that magazine, doing this is foolish and akin to comparing a Stuka Dive Bomber to an A-10 Warthog. So dispensing with such silliness I will say that the PPS-43 is a nice weapon. By modern standards it is longer and heavier than needed, but compared to an MP-44 or a Thompson, it is sleek and fast to the shoulder. Manipulations of the weapons – loading, unloading, reloading, etc., was very easy and almost intuitive to one that has spent a great deal of time with an AK. I suspect Mikhail Kalashnikov got to handle one or two of these when he was envisioning his creation.

    Cyclic rate was a very controllable 500 rounds per minute. Recoil was, at least to me, almost non-existent. The 7.62x25 round is a very affordable cartridge today and although it is an old design, it has some interesting characteristics…specially if the issue of body armor comes up. Caveman simple still resonates true with this SMG as it does with the AK. It is not a finely tuned watch, but who the hell wants that in a swamp up to his waist in mud? An operator with a little bit of skill can take this weapon and do some good work with it.

    There are several semi auto versions of this available today for those so inclined. While I am a firm believer in the utility of the semi auto SMG, the prices these are going for do not justify the purchase for any serious uses…unless of course, you simply want one.

    If you do have one, and have not wrung it out, I invite you to bring it to a Kalashnikov Rifle Gunfighting class. We may even help subsidize your 7.62x25 ammo just to see one in class…and of course so the others can shoot it.
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  2. #2
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    Dec 2009
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Wow! That looks like a lot of fun to shoot!

    Thanks, Gabe, for your perspective on this interesting fighting tool.
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    I have found several online that are semi auto only for mid 700's.

    Ammo is a bit cheaper than 5.45x39 . .. .wow

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    I've always been more impressed by the PPS-42/3 than the PPSh-41. I just have to throw in one other piece of history:

    The PPS-42 probably holds the record for the quickest delivery time to the front lines and the most rigourous beta-testing in history. You see, it was designed and was being built in Leningrad during the seige, and went straight from factory to front line. What didn't work got found out pretty quickly.

  5. #5
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    Jan 2008
    For some reason I thought the pp-43s were the pistol (stockless) version akin to the AK pistol in usefulness.

    I heart 7.62x25.


  6. #6
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    Oct 2003
    Chattanooga TN
    There is a semi auto pistol version made that has the stock welded to the top so it will not open so it can be sold here in the US without having to register it as an SBR.

    I am actually awaiting delivery of a PPS 43 SBR. I'll be reporting on it when I get it.
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  7. #7
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    Nov 2008
    Baton Rouge La.
    And those of you who make it to the B-Day Bash in June will get to shoot the one in Gabe's hands in the O.P.'s pic's :D gotta vid of him on that thing somewhere I need to dig out

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    Dec 2008
    Dang...might have to compare the MV on one of the semi auto versions to the M1 carbine...I would love to see how the 7.62x33 compares to the 7.62x25.
    For a PDW, its hard to beat something like that. I want some. Too bad there isn't a Skorpion type weapon that uses the same mags. Having a carbine and a "sidarm/pdw" chambered and magged the same would rock.
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  9. #9
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Austin, TX

    Default Actually there is an article on that idea...

    Of comparing the M2 carbine and the PPsH 41. It was in one of those big gun magazine that they come out every year. I will stop by the book store and get the title for you. In full auto, the 41 was better according to the author in control while the M2 was better in semi auto for accuracy. I can't recall the mv differences. I know that I have seen Marines use the 41 in Iraq as a stop gap cqb weapon. Anyway, I will get the title for you. The title is Guns Combat Annual.
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  10. #10
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    North East Georgia
    Oddly enough I saw an AK converted to accept the mags from this gun this weekend at the National Arms Show in Atlanta. I did not get a chance to talk to the dealer who had it but he had it marked as "not for sale".
    Also saw some REALLY nice Saiga 12's that had been worked over. One was SBRed and looked just like a Krink. The other was given a Galil treatment and Duracoated in tan.
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