Rifle Gunfighting Notes - Reverse Shoulder

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The first time I saw this technique was in a video game :D, for those who like console games check the videos for Metal Gear Solid 4 and you will see the tecnique used for clearing a building, they are using Japanese and American military consultants for the development so I guess it is in used by our forces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx5xnf-TbIA

If only my friends would get their BodieLobus Reflex Controller to market! Maybe then I could actually enjoy a counsel FPS game again.

Back to the topic at hand because of my lazy left eye and right hand dominance this "transition" remains the fastest for me as it still allows my right eye to quickly pick-up the sights.

[Kobra]

Gottcha! !!!!!

ROFL! A reference to an 80's movie I think.

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ROFL! A reference to an 80's movie I think.

That'd be Gotcha not Gottcha but because it followed a post on paintball my mind reverted back a couple decades to, well, - SPLAT!!!

[DaveJames]

Gabe, just meet that I understood your thinking

[3corners]

Just played around with this dry and it feels very natural!! looking forward to trying it on the range.

Before when moving left I was taking 3-5 steps then switch stepping back right to fire to prevent backpedalling...

Great stuff, the journey continues... :D

[Matthew Temkin]

I was at Dino's range on Saturday and we tried this.
At first I did not see what the fuss was about until I Dean pointed that I too tended to backpedal when moving to one way ( I forget if it was strong or weak side.)
We then tried it Anthony's way ( rifle's side facing up) and it worked like a charm with both live fire MP5 and Sims shooting AR 15.
Definately will be added to my bag of tricks.

[crofrog]

Done this with paintball guns, and have trained it more than a few times with my carbine.

Chris

[Fluffy the Attack Kitty]

Huh... Been doing that for a while now. Never realized it wasn't something everybody did.

Only problem I've noticed is that it makes it hard to maintain a solid grip with my right hand while twisted back like that. Might be just my particular mix of large hands and old wrist injuries, but I find it easier to curl my fingers around the back of the grip and pull the trigger with my thumb. Can anybody think of a reason I shouldn't be doing that?

[Gabe Suarez]

but I find it easier to curl my fingers around the back of the grip and pull the trigger with my thumb. Can anybody think of a reason I shouldn't be doing that?

Huh? Are we talking about the same thing? Butt of the rifle on the left shoulder, but the right hand still in the pistol grip (as the first stage of a side swap with the rifle....from which you can also fire). I'm not sure what you describe is physically possible.

[Matsumi]

Remarkably I came to the same conclusion regarding fast transition from one shoulder to another just a couple of weeks ago. I own an AUG and constantly hear complaints that bullpups are bad in CQB because you can’t instantly go from one shoulder to another (excluding the FN 2000). The problem of exposing too much of your body when shooting from right hand corners, if your gun is set up for right shoulder use.
So I practiced some dry firing with my gun at home trying to find the best way to transition and shot from the week shoulder (my left) without exposing my face to the right side ejection port on my AUG.
The best solution I could come up with both in terms of Speed, Reliability (not to be forgotten) and comfort was: hold the hand as you would normally when shooting, right hand on the pistol grip and left hand on the vertical forward grip move the gun to the opposite shoulder, as you do tilt the gun 45 degrees and rest your jaw on the left side of the stock (as the AUG stock is sloping 45 degrees on either side this feels natural) to ensure that the ejection port is now pointing in a safe direction.

Now you would not be able to use the optical sight on the gun and would instead be forced to rely upon point shooting using the muzzle as an aim/pointer.

I have to tell you with this technique I se no disadvantage with using the AUG in very CQB and being forced to use point shooting at shorter distances shouldn’t be a problem with some practice.
What are your thoughts on my little test and the shoulder switch applied in room to room search…