War belt 4 or 6 mags...

[chad newton]

You might be interested in a couple of videos from Garand Thumb on Youtube. Specifically his videos Basics of RECCE and Recon Kit and Basics of Urban Combat Survival and Assault Pack Setup.

I will check him out...

[apamburn]

I think a war belt that is intended to work with a chest rig or plate carrier is entirely different than a standalone war belt.

War belt is just another name and take on the LBE that has existed since the m1956 LCE, m1967 MLCE, ALICE LC2 carriage systems, British PLCE system, USAF H Gear harness, etc.

A dedicated belt rig distributes weight better disperses heat better, and carries better in rural or dismounted contexts.

It also carries much more than a belt meant to be sometimes used in conjunction with a PC.

So we need to make that distinction when on this topic.

I think the lighter war belt concept as part of a PC system needs to be vehicle friendly and slim.

For the rural patrolling option the USAF gen 2 H Gear kit is actually really nice imo.

[chad newton]

Cool, I will do some research this weekend. I’m bring it up because we havnt been going over any of this stuff lately and if new or improved ways of supporting equipment is out there I want to check it out. Never know if when you will need it, and one of the biggest things we all should do is train with our stuff to make sure it works.

[chad newton]

That setup just so happens to be what SI was selling back in 2014 when I bought it run at Doug Little's RFG3 class. Since then I have switched from the drop leg holster to belt mount for fast on/off capability. The med pouch is behind the dump pouch, although I have never added anything to it or the radio pouch, perhaps I should get off my a$$ and find a med kit for it. The belt is adjusted so its tight to my body and the suspenders really are not carrying any of the weight, but holds it at a good height while I buckle up. It worked out great for class with running around, jumping up and grabbing the rafters at the range to do pull-ups, walking around the forest in my neighborhood for some shooting expeditions, and a couple times at night when strange things were afoot. Also did try it out with a Maxpedition 25L bag (Falcon2) one time when setting up for some local disturbances. It was still a comfortable set up with the war belt on and back pack with 5 or 6 extra AR mags, an extra G19 for my wife, another handful of Glock mags, med kit, and a couple bottles of water.

When I did all the big classes I just ran either the sneaky bag or my us palms chest rig. It worked fine but I want to see about the belts, because mine fucking sucked that I put together. I used it for one rifle class here with Uli and it worked but left a lot to be desired...

[chad newton]

I think a war belt that is intended to work with a chest rig or plate carrier is entirely different than a standalone war belt.

War belt is just another name and take on the LBE that has existed since the m1956 LCE, m1967 MLCE, ALICE LC2 carriage systems, British PLCE system, USAF H Gear harness, etc.

A dedicated belt rig distributes weight better disperses heat better, and carries better in rural or dismounted contexts.

It also carries much more than a belt meant to be sometimes used in conjunction with a PC.

So we need to make that distinction when on this topic.

I think the lighter war belt concept as part of a PC system needs to be vehicle friendly and slim.

For the rural patrolling option the USAF gen 2 H Gear kit is actually really nice imo.

I did a quick search and just pouch and a different gen of harness came up but I will keep looking.

[SoldierofTheLaw]

Check out Esstac. Both of my belts are setup with their pouches and one of my setups uses their 2 belt system. Lightweight and solid.

[coastalcop]

My conglomeration that I put together also has a drop leg holster. I think you did the right thing, I want to find one that still sits low but not all the way down to clear the armor.

safariland ubl. select mid or low. unless you are running a rappel harness you want a rig that always keeps your pistol on the same plane it sits at when standing. i use the quick release on my ubl. it has the advantage of being quickly swappable for a different holster platform as needed, Or pulled off my belt and clipped to my nightstand at end of shift for a non migrating platform if something goes bump in the house . Any of the rigs that allow the holster to follow the leg will generally screw up a draw in positions other than standing. Mid and low models will generally clear body armor or waist straps on a backpack, select based on torso length, length of barrel on pistol. ( low ride and long barrel will generally ground out on the carseat when seated if youre not long torsoed) Just my experience, and worth what you paid for it. ;)

ubl seen here. https://safariland.com/products/cubl-vertical-belt-loop

quick release here. https://safariland.com/products/quic...stem-kit-23136

[apamburn]

safariland ubl. select mid or low. unless you are running a rappel harness you want a rig that always keeps your pistol on the same plane it sits at when standing. i use the quick release on my ubl. it has the advantage of being quickly swappable for a different holster platform as needed, Or pulled off my belt and clipped to my nightstand at end of shift for a non migrating platform if something goes bump in the house . Any of the rigs that allow the holster to follow the leg will generally screw up a draw in positions other than standing. Mid and low models will generally clear body armor or waist straps on a backpack, select based on torso length, length of barrel on pistol. ( low ride and long barrel will generally ground out on the carseat when seated if youre not long torsoed) Just my experience, and worth what you paid for it. ;)

ubl seen here. https://safariland.com/products/cubl-vertical-belt-loop

quick release here. https://safariland.com/products/quic...stem-kit-23136

A similar system I have used is the Blackhawk quick disconnect system and any of their "duty" holsters - T-series (with which I have no experience), SERPA (which is disliked these days), or omnivore (which doesn't retain nearly well enough).

Combine that with a jacket slot belt loop which rides a little lower and you get the same effect.

If you have to go drop leg keep it high and tight but like CC said....I think drop leg is best left to the graveyard.

[Ragsbo]

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If you have to go drop leg keep it high and tight but like CC said....I think drop leg is best left to the graveyard.[/QUOTE]

I hate drop leg holsters. The only way I could stand one was to take the top strap off, raise the holster as high as I could so the bottom strap could just go around the upper thigh. Still got it low but not flopping on my leg

[apamburn]

I hate drop leg holsters. The only way I could stand one was to take the top strap off, raise the holster as high as I could so the bottom strap could just go around the upper thigh. Still got it low but not flopping on my leg

Agreed. They are simply terrible.

Those early 00s late 90s SWAT and GWOT drop leg rigs dangling at the knee are super cringe but I know we were just using what we had.