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    Anyone have suggestions on good books, documentaries, blogs/listserv groups, etc. with good info regarding South Africa's political, social and violence situation? I've watched a bunch of stuff on YouTube recently and would like to learn more about what is going on there, since I see certain parallels here and would like to get out in front of things. Interests would include economic, land "reform," farmer murders, crime/corruption, etc.

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    We have, or had, a few members from SA. Boetman and a couple others. Haven't seen much from them in a while. Not sure if they are lurking or not. Hopefully they will chime in if they are still active on here.
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    I have this book, but haven't read it yet. From the Amazon description.

    People's war: New light on the struggle for South Africa

    Fifteen years have passed since South Africans were being shot or hacked or burned to death in political conflict; and the memory of the trauma has faded. Some 20,500 people were nevertheless killed between 1984 and 1994. The conventional wisdom is that they died at the hands of a state-backed Third Force, but the more accurate explanation is that they died as a result of the people's war the ANC unleashed. As the people's war accelerated from September 1984, intimidation and political killings rapidly accelerated. At the same time, a remarkably effective propaganda campaign put the blame for violence on the National Party government and its alleged Inkatha surrogate. Sympathy for the ANC soared, while its rivals suffered crippling losses in credibility and support. By 1993 the ANC was able to dominate the negotiating process, as well as to control the (undefeated) South African police and army and bend them to its will. By mid-1994 it had trounced its rivals and taken over government. Since 1994, many books have been written on South Africa's political transition, but none deals adequately with the people's war. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission should have covered this, but largely overlooked it. This book shows the extraordinary success of people's war in giving the ANC a virtual monopoly on power. It also shows, in part at least, the great cost at which this was achieved. Apart from the killings, the terror, and the destruction that marked the period from 1984 to 1994, the people's war set in motion forces that cannot easily be reversed. For violence cannot be turned off 'like a tap' as the ANC suggested, and neither can anarchy easily be converted into order.


    https://www.amazon.com/Peoples-war-l.../dp/1868423573

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    Daily Maverick has some pretty good background of political situation https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3corners View Post
    Daily Maverick has some pretty good background of political situation https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/

    Take it from where it comes from.

    They receive funding from the G Soros Open Society Foundation.

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    Good to know, I take all reporting sceptically, but there has been a lot of exposure of the ANC corruption and background to the load shedding etc which I found useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M_P_E View Post
    Anyone have suggestions on good books, documentaries, blogs/listserv groups, etc. with good info regarding South Africa's political, social and violence situation? I've watched a bunch of stuff on YouTube recently and would like to learn more about what is going on there, since I see certain parallels here and would like to get out in front of things. Interests would include economic, land "reform," farmer murders, crime/corruption, etc.

    Thanks!
    Political:
    Pretty much one party rule for now.
    ANC = Horrible, utterly corrupt crime syndicate.
    Some believe that the ruling party might suffer a defeat in the next general elections in two years.
    A few others believe that freedom from this government will not be obtained by way of the ballot box and that the current government will do whatever it takes to stay in power. They have too much to lose in terms of prosecutions for their ill gotten gains and would obviously like to ride the gravy train until the wheels truly fall off. Them staying in power may include election fraud and / or through dictatorial and violent means.
    There are so many political assassinations that it hardly still make the news.

    Social:
    Corrupt communist (when it suits them) government has impoverished the country.
    Bottom layer of society:
    Too many are dependent on "social grants" to survive. Their existence has deliberately been reduced to basically nothing more than "ANC Voters", a sub-human form of existence, given their desperate levels of poverty.
    Middle layer:
    Those dependent on Affirmative Action (after 28 years of "democracy) where the majority is "protected" from the minority.
    Higher layer:
    Those dependent on Black Economic Empowerment (State tenders etc.). Same reasoning as in middle layer.
    Top layer:
    ANC bigwigs and their associates.
    Stealing from the fiscus and pocketing bribes in US$ and Euro etc. from the enablers and handlers, often foreign.
    The above structuring is an unbeatable business model. Until other people's money runs out (Quote Margaret Thatcher). As it is doing fast.

    Violence:
    Very violent. Comparatively very high murder, rape, robbery rates etc.

    Economic:
    Going even further downhill. Further interest rate hikes on the horizon, very high fuel prices, food price inflation escalating rapidly. Constant electricity blackouts, purposely engineered, to create a justification for "green energy" and shale fracking contracts and projects, the local and foreign beneficiaries of which are greedily waiting for this to happen.

    Land reform:
    ANC stole so much of the money that was earmarked and there are very few success stories, apart from those that were and are managed by white mega farmers or where they rent the land and farm it and pay rental or dividends to the tribes to which the land were handed out. Somehow the realization is seemingly setting in to those in power and on the ground that land alone ultimately means nothing. This project at large has lost a bit of steam in the past year or so.

    Farm murders:
    The Government wants the world to believe that it is just part of the "normal" levels of crime, and that there is no and definitely not an organized political motive.
    Some believe that the same hit squads that may be involved in the political killings (ANC on ANC) could be involved.

    Parallels:
    Underlined.
    Last edited by Katana; 07-19-2022 at 07:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3corners View Post
    Good to know, I take all reporting sceptically, but there has been a lot of exposure of the ANC corruption and background to the load shedding etc which I found useful.
    Yes they have their own agenda and spins a special narrative, camouflaged with pockets of the truth.

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