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    Default Texas "conservatives" call for more gun control

    Texas is bending us over

    Texas GOP donors urge Congress to act on gun control measures

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2022...trol-measures/

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    Doesn't surprise me. All hat and no cattle.

    Texas has an exaggerated and false rep for independence and 2A freedoms. How else to explain the election of governors like Ferguson and Richards and the long fight for concealed carry?

    And some of us well remember George 41's import ban.

    Texas, the eyes of America are upon you. Either disavow these traitors or bow your head in shame.
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    Gun control is dead. Even though it hasnt been that long since the tragedy in Ulvalde, nobody cares about guns. Except the piece of shit politicians. When it costs 100 bucks to fill up your vehicle and, for me, 160-200 bucks for 3 bags of groceries, personally i dont care what if anything for laws are passed. I will continue to do what ive been doing. Having a fair amount of spare parts on hand to keep everything running and to build a few more if need be, fuck the democrats and any rinos that want to pass any bullshit laws.

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    Fake news will say anything they think will push their agenda forward. Time to make these liars accountable
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    Quote Originally Posted by WOLF220 View Post
    Gun control is dead. Even though it hasnt been that long since the tragedy in Ulvalde, nobody cares about guns. Except the piece of shit politicians. When it costs 100 bucks to fill up your vehicle and, for me, 160-200 bucks for 3 bags of groceries, personally i dont care what if anything for laws are passed. I will continue to do what ive been doing. Having a fair amount of spare parts on hand to keep everything running and to build a few more if need be, fuck the democrats and any rinos that want to pass any bullshit laws.
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    Sadly, until someone comes up with a different, better, credible, and workable solution to prevent elementary schools from being shot up and kids killed, this issue of making the guns disappear - all of them or at least some of them - is going to be floating out there.

    To date, nobody has come up with a realistic solution that will prevent that from happening to a degree of certainty that people will accept. I do not have kids, but I cannot really blame them for their frustration and their desire to see something done. This shit needs to stop, period. I would not want to send kids to schools where this was an even remotely plausible risk. And, honestly, I would not want to send kids to schools where the level of hardening necessary to prevent these events would be in place. I think that experience steals something from the innocence and optimism of childhood, of education, and of the early phases of socialization.

    Chest thumping, t-shirt slogans, and whatnot, Texas does not have some corner on conservative thought or on rugged individualism. Assuming it ever did, that distinct personality and character has faded over the span of decades with increased geographic mobility. The people I know who are flocking to Texas (or Arizona, or Nevada, or Florida) are on the whole not "conservative" in any commonly understood sense of the term. They are regular old folks who are tired of Michigan winters, and they are bringing their politics and beliefs with them. The old myth of these places being somehow insulated from broader societal trends and preferences is pretty much gone, I think.

    I don't know what this means for the big picture, for the culture, but it seems clear regarding 2A. It feels like we are in a race to the lowest common denominator in terms of preservation of 2A and other individual/individualist values.

    Various people have offered suggestions, but nobody has authoritatively explained to me why these school shootings and other public mass shooting events have become a thing. What has changed for people since I was a kid to make these things commonplace? Because we did not have these events happen when I was in K-12 in the 1980s and 1990s. Maybe if we figure that out we will know what needs to be changed now.

    In true third-world style, I know of a growing collection of families who are choosing to relocate abroad in part because of this shit. Their jobs allow them to work wherever, so they are choosing to raise their children in Italy or UK or Germany or Japan. The issue of school shootings is not the sole driver in their decision, but from what I can gather it is not a non-issue, either. This is something you would historically see folks from "shithole" countries doing to give their children a chance at a better life. We used to be the destination for these folks, and now we are seeing our own outflow. How far we have fallen.

    If we don't come up with a workable solution to profoundly reduce the incidence of mass shootings of children, of grocery shoppers, and things of that sort, a solution that can be implemented forthwith, somebody else is going to come up with one for us. And when theirs doesn't work, the're going to make like the doctor of old and conclude that they simply need more leeches. They aren't going to conclude their early restrictions were wrong. They will just conclude they must have been inadequate. That's what has happened everywhere else in the world where this issue has presented itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M_P_E View Post
    Sadly, until someone comes up with a different, better, credible, and workable solution to prevent elementary schools from being shot up and kids killed, this issue of making the guns disappear - all of them or at least some of them - is going to be floating out there.
    Read up on the attack on the offices of Kyoto Animation a few years ago.

    It wasn't a big story in the USA outside of discussions by anime fans.

    The perp killed more people than the two US mass shootings that summer combined, and he did not need a gun to do it, or any skill in making explosives, or really any special knowledge, training, or tools. He was a mentally disturbed person like the high profile mass shooters, not some mastermind.

    Anyone who thinks this is a gun issue is an idiot. The reason arguing with them is difficult is because it is difficult to use facts and reason to persuade stupid people.

    The politicians and media propagandists know the truth but they are liars using these events for their agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin Liu View Post
    Read up on the attack on the offices of Kyoto Animation a few years ago.

    It wasn't a big story in the USA outside of discussions by anime fans.

    The perp killed more people than the two US mass shootings that summer combined, and he did not need a gun to do it, or any skill in making explosives, or really any special knowledge, training, or tools. He was a mentally disturbed person like the high profile mass shooters, not some mastermind.

    Anyone who thinks this is a gun issue is an idiot. The reason arguing with them is difficult is because it is difficult to use facts and reason to persuade stupid people.

    The politicians and media propagandists know the truth but they are liars using these events for their agenda.

    I recall that event. And your point is valid: skill and talent are not necessary to do great harm. And guns are just one tool among many that are available to use.

    But there are still two issues that we need to confront: politicians who have their own agenda, and people who are not OK with kids getting killed in school, be it by a disturbed person or mastermind or what have you. The first, at least in theory, we can address at the ballot box. The second is going to require more.

    The common theme here is that we need to be better at identifying nuts and putting them in time-out. That is going to take money - state mental institutions need to be reopened, more mental health professionals need to be trained and employed. When people, like the Buffalo shooter, come out and say what they're thinking (he spoke of wanting to do a murder-suicide) they need more than a quick visit to the shrink, or a 72 hour hold. If that shit comes out of your mouth, six months inpatient and not released until you're cleared, and periodic monitoring/reevaluation for a period afterwards. During this time, if you are still a minor, your parents (both of them!) will be mandated into substantial mental health counseling for themselves and for you, so they can be properly equipped to deal with you when you are released.

    Of course this will never happen. Because this would be hard. It would infringe on people's rights of self-expression. But just as you cannot yell Fire! in a crowded theater, spouting off or posting about this shit is not OK. This needs to be the point of emphasis, yet it is not. If anyone's rights are going to be abused or trampled on, let it be these nuts who say and post stupid shit, and if they are minors, let it also be their parents. Not the rest of us. Not the 2A crowd. Not kids just trying to go to school.

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    "To date, nobody has come up with a realistic solution that will prevent that from happening to a degree of certainty that people will accept."

    I'm going to put forward a very unpopular opinion: Sometimes there is just nothing you can do. One of the most difficult things for a man to do is nothing. We see a problem; we want to solve it. Understand that I'm not saying that we just stick our heads in the sand and give up. But the idea that there is a "solution" is arguably utopian. We don't have a solution to cancer or hurricanes or murder. We live in a fallen world and we are bound to see tragedy. And the goal of "certainty" is way beyond anything we are going to accomplish. Looking at these scenarios realistically, our best hope is that we kill the bad guy after he's murdered a half-dozen people, but before he's murdered the next two dozen. That is a goal that we can achieve. But the hope for a solution that is certain to provide safety is a pipe dream.

    "If we don't come up with a workable solution to profoundly reduce the incidence of mass shootings of children, of grocery shoppers, and things of that sort, a solution that can be implemented forthwith, somebody else is going to come up with one for us."

    This is likely where we'll end up, but I would offer a point of refinement to this statement. The people who propose a solution won't actually provide one. They'll create more laws. They'll spend more money. They'll strip away freedom. But in the end, it won't provide a solution. They'll get to pat themselves on the back for having "done something," but they won't have actually accomplished what they promised.


    And on Texas: this place is not what Hollywood promises. It is not the wild west. Gun laws here are middle-of-the-road at best. And with more Californians moving here everyday, I am not optimistic for the future. My plans here are to make money and leave. I've been eyeballing property in east Tennessee. I'd rather go to Idaho, but it's too far from family to sell my wife on the idea.

    I also know that when/if Texas flips to blue, that's the end of America. The commies would control everything and the free states would have to choose to either succumb to the brain suck or to fight their way out. When/if that happens, I plan to live somewhere that doesn't put me in the position of having to hunt down my neighbors. If I can find some holler in Appalachia, where I'm surrounded by moonshining hillbillies, I'm confident that we'll be able to get along just fine. Here in Texas, it'll be a bloodbath.
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