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    Well, I don't recall if I mentioned it but for almost a year I've been looking for another church after my pastor died approximately two years ago.
    I think I found one. Small church, non-denominational Christian and this morning the preacher referred to Biden as a traitor to the country and God for violating his oath of office.
    I can't recall details but he was a Colonel or Lt.Col in either the 101st or 82nd Airborne.

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    Christians should not limit their resistance to christian methods. Resist at every level at every opportunity.
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    Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not.

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    This seems like a pretty good first post to me. It isn’t the usual, “Hey, what magic bullet do I need for my 1911 to make people’s limbs explode when I shoot them?”

    We’ve had a few overly-simplistic Romans 13 lessons lately at my church. I’ve been working on a reply. When I have my thoughts all fleshed out, I’ll post something. It may be a while. I want to get this answer right.
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    So quick question after all the rhetoric. When was the last time...historically speaking...that Christians actually did anything physical in terms of resistance? Anything more than getting together...commiserating...or praying for "whatever God wants"? Just asking...in a jaded, cynical way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    So quick question after all the rhetoric. When was the last time...historically speaking...that Christians actually did anything physical in terms of resistance? Anything more than getting together...commiserating...or praying for "whatever God wants"? Just asking...in a jaded, cynical way.
    So Gabe, in the interest of fleshing this topic out, let me ask a somewhat rhetorical question. What exactly is a "Christian" anyway, and what is Christianity? We all know that there is such a thing as CINO (Christian in Name Only), but what differentiates a CINO and a true Christian, as defined by the ultimate Authority on the matter? For that matter, who or what is the ultimate authority? Is it a church, some talking head, me, you?

    Are we all free to define Christianity as we see fit, or is there an objective, immovable standard? I'm not trying to bait you with these questions, just to clarify a pivotal point in all of this. That point is that to differing degrees we are all guilty of trying to create a god in our own image, as the old quote goes. So back to the original question, is a Christian someone who follows Christ unequivocally, or someone who takes what bits and pieces from here and there he likes, discards the pieces he doesn't, creates his own theology, and creates his own god? Which of these two men must we strive to be?
    "If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself." — Augustine

    "That upon which you set your heart and put your trust is your god." — Martin Luther

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    So quick question after all the rhetoric. When was the last time...historically speaking...that Christians actually did anything physical in terms of resistance? Anything more than getting together...commiserating...or praying for "whatever God wants"? Just asking...in a jaded, cynical way.
    Christians are too divided from being overly loyal to their preferred brand of church to unite and do anything meaningful. I'd argue the ineffectiveness of western church in America has lead it to be viewed as irrelevant. That "falling away" if you will, has ushered in socialists and their agenda.
    It's too generic but yet accurate to say the only hope for America is for the Word to be taught and received.
    Be alert, stand firm in the faith, act like a man, be strong. Your every action must be done with love.

    “Adversity introduces a man to himself.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgeib View Post
    So Gabe, in the interest of fleshing this topic out, let me ask a somewhat rhetorical question. What exactly is a "Christian" anyway, and what is Christianity? We all know that there is such a thing as CINO (Christian in Name Only), but what differentiates a CINO and a true Christian, as defined by the ultimate Authority on the matter? For that matter, who or what is the ultimate authority? Is it a church, some talking head, me, you?

    I don't know. Those are words I don't often type but there it is. I will say that I began drifting away from the Popular American Church after Obama's second election and in all honesty, have not found a reason to go back. It seems that you have two extremes...the Stepford Perfect People who have never uttered one single "f-Bomb" in their lives and who eschew bikinis, and R rated movies (Christian Taliban)...and the love everyone flower children of the Calvary movement (John Lennon with a bible). Neither one appeals to me any more than the stoic eastern or western churches...so nope...I do not have an answer.

    Are we all free to define Christianity as we see fit, or is there an objective, immovable standard? I'm not trying to bait you with these questions, just to clarify a pivotal point in all of this. That point is that to differing degrees we are all guilty of trying to create a god in our own image, as the old quote goes.

    In America...there are more sects and tribes of "The Cross" than there are fish in the sea. And to sarcastically steal a quote from Mr. Kipling's In The Neolithic Age - "And every single one of them is right". I will agree with that last sentence. What I have simply stopped doing is accepting somebody else's image as "the way it ought to be'.

    So back to the original question, is a Christian someone who follows Christ unequivocally, or someone who takes what bits and pieces from here and there he likes, discards the pieces he doesn't, creates his own theology, and creates his own god? Which of these two men must we strive to be?

    Again...I don't know. I think if I revealed my own idea of what A MAN would be...and knowing that Christ was a man on the earth, he got pissed off, insulted people, and loved deeply. I suspect he ate, urinated and most likely even had sex a time or two. But say that to the stiff necks on Sunday and you will likely be drenched with holy water. At this point in my life i am who and what I am and not striving to fit anyone's image about anything.

    But my question parallels yours doesn't it...or is commiserating about things quietly in a men's bible study and then praying together the limit of the effort? If that is it, I may have a thing or two things better to do on my Wednesday nights or Sunday mornings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psalms23dad View Post
    It's too generic but yet accurate to say the only hope for America is for the Word to be taught and received.

    I disagree. Freedom is the best way to create and insure a great quality of life and money is the best way to insure freedom. The only hope for America is for Americans to stop allowing their money to be taken away by anyone...specially the government. make it like it was before 2020...America first foreign policy, more money in everyone's pocket, prosperity, prosperity and more prosperity, and the nation will be great again regardless of what place everyone goes to on Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    So quick question after all the rhetoric. When was the last time...historically speaking...that Christians actually did anything physical in terms of resistance? Anything more than getting together...commiserating...or praying for "whatever God wants"? Just asking...in a jaded, cynical way.
    It's been since the Crusades. The Catholic church then didn't like how much influence and money the Templars et. all had accumulated and branded them heretics and stripped them of everything. Christians have never been the same since then in regard to martial beliefs and options. The largest religion at the time emasculated itself and manliness and godliness haven't really been as close since. Recently it has only gotten worse. I personally stopped going to church because I didn't like the inconsistent message being sent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    I think if I revealed my own idea of what A MAN would be...and knowing that Christ was a man on the earth, he got pissed off, insulted people, and loved deeply. I suspect he ate, urinated and most likely even had sex a time or two.
    Part of me thinks I should wait longer before responding to this; part of me thinks this needs to be addressed immediately. I'm going to listen to the 'act now' side of my brain.

    Do you think that Jesus Christ had a wife and she was simply left out of the Bible? If he did not, then the suggestion here is that Christ engaged in a casual sexual relationship; that he committed the sin of fornication. He was not simply a man. He was the Son of God. He was the perfect and sinless man. If Christ sinned just as we sin, then his sacrifice would be worthless. The atonement of Christ's blood only works because he was without sin.

    Did He get pissed off? Yes. The Bible says as much. Which gives us evidence that being angry is not in and of itself a sin.

    Of course he ate and urinated. That's part of taking on an earthly form. While crapping may be "dirty" in the biological/disease sense, it isn't sinful.

    Whether he ever insulted someone is a very complex question. It's a lot deeper than it looks at first glance. His dismissive treatment of the Pharisees could be considered insulting, but he did not do so in order to belittle them. He did it to bring glory to the Father; to point out their errors and guide people to the truth.

    Christ is indeed the model of a man. We should strive to be like Christ, despite knowing that we will come short. To declare that for Christ to be "a man" he would have to be guilty of your preferred sins crosses the line into blasphemy. You should give this some thought, reconsider your words, and clarify this. If you want to be a Christian Warrior, you have to live up to both sides of the name.

    I say this sternly, but with love and respect.
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