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    Quote Originally Posted by P.D. View Post
    My mother had uncles who fought in the Easter rebellion.
    In cities like Chicago young children on their grandmothers knees were told those stories and likely even more in Boston and New York. for many years guns flowed out of the ports of NY and Boston headed for Ireland. Even the Kennedys got involved in one case of helping the gun smugglers. Growing up in those regions I gained sympathy for the fight against the British by the Irish. But gaining I hope some wisdom with age my views have tempered on such matters.
    Below is a real tangled web dealing with gun running to Ireland that some how or other got the Kennedys involved IIRC. Part of what the modern US state department and the ATF are supposed to do is to stop gun running. But with the CIA and other players being involved it is a confused issue.

    What role did Boston Irish mafia head Whitey Bulger play in one of the most notorious IRA gun running episodes of The Troubles?

    In 1984 a fishing boat named the Valhalla left Boston harbor for the Irish coast, carrying seven tons of guns and ammunition valued at over $1 million.

    There were strong suggestions that Bulger, whose maternal grandparents were from Ireland, had helped supply the weapons.

    Patrick Nee, a Connemara native living in Boston, had collected most of the guns, grenades and bulletproof vests that were in the shipment.

    Sean O’Callaghan, a high level British spy within the IRA, is said to have tipped off the British and Irish authorities when the ship was on the high seas.

    The guns were intercepted aboard the Marita Anne, an Irish trawler, by Irish police after the Valhalla had transferred them. Aboard the Marita Ann were four IRA men, including IRA commander Martin Ferris, now a prominent member of the Dail (Irish Parliament).

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    Quote Originally Posted by barnetmill View Post
    In cities like Chicago young children on their grandmothers knees were told those stories and likely even more in Boston and New York. for many years guns flowed out of the ports of NY and Boston headed for Ireland. Even the Kennedys got involved in one case of helping the gun smugglers. Growing up in those regions I gained sympathy for the fight against the British by the Irish. But gaining I hope some wisdom with age my views have tempered on such matters.
    Below is a real tangled web dealing with gun running to Ireland that some how or other got the Kennedys involved IIRC. Part of what the modern US state department and the ATF are supposed to do is to stop gun running. But with the CIA and other players being involved it is a confused issue.
    Been there, Had the lectures growing up. Wearing anything orange in our house earned you a flogging -- we're Irish Catholics.

    Our family has not supported the IRA in any way -- even in spirit -- since independence in 1921 because of its socialist/communist leanings.

    Knew of the 'VALHALLA', too.

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    It's the MOOPS.

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    And another, on the way out of the rabbit hole:

    Come all you young rebels and list while I sing
    For love of ones land is a terrible thing
    It banishes fear with the speed of a flame
    And it makes us all part of the patriot game

    My name is O'Hanlon, and I'm just gone sixteen
    My home is in Monaghan it's there I was weaned
    I was taught all my life cruel England to blame
    And so I'm part of the patriot game

    'Tis barely two years since I wandered away
    With the local battalion of the bold IRA
    I read of our heroes and wanted the same
    To play up my part in the patriot game

    They told me how Connolly was shot in the chair
    His wounds from the fighting all bleeding and bare
    His fine body twisted all battered and lame
    They soon made me part of the patriot game

    This Ireland of mine has for long been half-free
    Six Counties are under John Bull's Monarchy
    And still DeValera is greatly to blame
    For shirking his part in the patriot game

    I don't mind a bit if I shoot down police
    They're lackeys for war never guardians of peace
    But yet at deserters I'm never let aim
    Those rebels who sold out the patriot game


    And now as I lie with my body all holes
    I think of those traitors who bargained and sold
    I'm sorry my rifle has not done the same
    For the Quislings who sold out the patriot
    game


    --The Patriot Game--lyrics by Dominic Behan

    You don't hear this version sung by Judy Collins, or by Irish pub bands that play "The Wild Colonial Boy."
    Last edited by Papa; 07-15-2021 at 07:48 AM. Reason: Close listening to Behan as he sang it.
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    The clancy brothers and many others mouth those lyrics of killing traitors. For many years quite respectable Irish Americans supported the IRA. A neighbor in the chicago area told up of two high school principals that seny money to the IRA. This was years ago.

    The powerful information of those and other similar lyrics was part of what kept that rebellion on going for centuries. Ireland was one of England's early colonies and I think it was also their last.
    With the Cuban anticastro movement I do not know much and whether they have such a culture of martyrdom and fight to last bullet then fix the bayonet and charge.
    Below queen Boudica rallying her people to fight the romans. She had Londinium sacked and had them all slain by her forces.


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