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  1. #1
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    Default Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)

    Have been doing some research. Will likely add to my weekly stack in a few weeks. I know Nichols was on it. Anyone else?
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    I wouldnt do TRT or even a short cycle without it. Not as necessary for older guys who plan on being on testosterone for life but for younger guys who want to maintain fertility its a must. For the lifetime committed trt users there's the benefit of keeping the testes from shrinking and maintaining some ability to naturally produce testosterone in the event of supply chain disruption or change in laws etc. Some people say they notice a boost in mood but thats anecdotal. If you add it, keep an eye on estrogen. Hcg tends to increase it

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    About 8-10 years ago I had blood work that showed my testosterone levels were slightly low. At the time they asked me if I was interested in going on something for it. At the time I was all about all natural. Not any more.
    Is TRT something I talk to my PC about or are you guys seeing someone that specializes in this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by deeredriver View Post
    About 8-10 years ago I had blood work that showed my testosterone levels were slightly low. At the time they asked me if I was interested in going on something for it. At the time I was all about all natural. Not any more.
    Is TRT something I talk to my PC about or are you guys seeing someone that specializes in this?


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    I use it, .5ml on Fridays. Normal protocol is twice a week, but it's seemed fine to me once a week.

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    I like it for the little extra bump in my T levels and my schedule reduces the ups and downs
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    Spoke with my doc about it this morning.

    He is a proponent of IM. Since there is more circulation in the muscle and it distributes through the body more quickly and thoroughly.

    I asked about subQ and he said one reason he doesn’t favor that method is because it stays in the fat tissue longer, doesn’t distribute as well or as fast, and because aromatase (I think) is in the fat tissue and that enzyme converts T to E. Of course we need some E but it’s not something we generally want to increase unless our body isn’t already converting enough.

    I don’t have a dog in the fight, I am sure certain methods work better for certain people. Just relaying what the doc said.

    He said the key to SubQ was consistency. I would assume you want to be consistent regardless of application method but I took this to mean that IM was more forgiving to inconsistent treatment.
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    Brent, I'd say try both and see how they work for you. I don't take any AI and my E2 levels stay good with T levels at 1000 or more. Just a thought.

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    I took it for a couple of years along with normal TRT regime. My doc had me on a compounded HCG solution (.5ml 2x/week, sub-q). Besides keeping the boys from shrinking, it boosted energy and helped muscle tone.

    What’s the tribe seeing regarding HCG availability and in what form? Apparently the FDC is no longer allowing HCG compounding.

    It worked very well for me and doc has yet to offer alternative. Any suggestions would be welcome.

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    I’ve been on HCG since the beginning, but the MD I go through is now having issues prescribing it since it’s “off label.” The replacement is Chlomid, which I have but haven’t started yet. Allegedly does similar work, but different mechanism. Most will know Chlomid as a fertility medication for women. It has different effects on men, of course.
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