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  1. #171
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailDave View Post
    So, I was in with my doc to get a physical for a professional school the other day and at the end of the appointment, a small voice in the back of my mind said, "You're in your late 30's, you should get a testosterone test so you can get a baseline number before you start into your 40s and beyond." So, I asked my doc, and gave him my reasoning. He was all for it. Luckily, my FP doc is a personal friend, knows my profession and is always on board to help me optimize myself and stay healthy (he's one of the rare ones that wants people to find the root causes of being unhealthy and then get and stay healthy). So, they did a blood draw and he contacted me yesterday and told me my T level was 260. My doc texted me the info and followed it up with, "dude, you're a 13-year old girl. Do you want to come in for injections, or do you want to do them at home?" Luckily, I'd read through this thread before and immediately opted to do them myself. The number was surprising to us both. I'm 38, 6'0", 195 lbs. I hit the gym 5-6 days a week and stay qualified to be on all the cool-guy teams at work. When I told my wife, she seemed less surprised. She said she'd noticed over the past 6+ months that I wasn't sleeping very well, that I was quicker to get grumpy with her and the kids, that even though I was still going to the gym regularly, that I was more tired than usual. She also noted, with some annoyance, that I had been noticeably less....pursuant....of her (if you catch the drift). She's right about all of it. So, with levels that low at 38, I'm a little concerned about what might be the underlying cause, and my doc is looking into it. But, I'm picking up my prescription today and starting on this journey. Thanks to WT I'm less nervous about it than I would have been and I'm looking at it as an opportunity rather than a treatment. Here we go...


    Youre going to want to screw a rusty VW bus about the time your second injection kicks in brother. Just go with it ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by coastalcop View Post
    Youre going to want to screw a rusty VW bus about the time your second injection kicks in brother. Just go with it ;)

    Not to mentions suggestively shaped trees, clouds, etc. Keep some duct tape handy to tape things down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    Not to mentions suggestively shaped trees, clouds, etc. Keep some duct tape handy to tape things down.
    Noted! Thanks gents!
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  4. #174
    Hello All,

    So my father (80s years young) got the results of his free T back today. Scale is 49-185. He is at 22.2....I guess that explains his extreme fatigue that he has been suffering for the last few years. The problem is he has a blood disorder that is producing too many platelets. So he is on daily Hydroxyurea to keep his platelet production down. If he goes off it, he will stroke in 2-3 days. Everything we read here indicates T injections will thicken his blood.

    1. What are the free T levels of some of you at the top of your game?
    2. Is there anything he can do in his situation to improve his T level without thickening his blood?

    Thanks much for any and all thoughts.

  5. #175
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailDave View Post
    So, with levels that low at 38, I'm a little concerned about what might be the underlying cause
    From your post:
    * I hit the gym 5-6 days a week and stay qualified to be on all the cool-guy teams at work.
    * noticed over the past 6+ months that I wasn't sleeping very well

    The last 18 months have been...more stressful than usual for almost everyone. Between the Rona, the left stealing the election and the tailspin Bad Touch Biden's wrecking crew have put the US into I suspect a LOT of people are having problems that result in lower testosterone values.

    Your body is an extremely complex system, and people are pretty much snowflakes--all of us are made of the same stuff in practically unique configurations (and we all bubble and melt when hit with a blowtorch, but I digress). So we all react to the world in different ways.

    Most people need more recovery than a 5 or 6 day a week workout regime provides. I've set some running goals for this year, and to meet them I've basically had to put off lifting. I can't run 4 or 5 miles a day 6 or 7 days a week and still lift hard (and yes, I know but I'm going back to a more moderate cardio regime in January and adding lifting back in). Not saying you shouldn't work out 6 days a week, but maybe take a hard look at your overall regime and rejigger it to provide more recovery?

    Sleep is when testosterone is produced and muscle built. There's a LOT of work out there on ways to improve both quality and quantity of sleep. The thing is, unless you're a genetic mutant (and I mean that literally, DEN2 and a couple others) you really NEED 7.5 to 9 hours of actual sleep a night. Not in the short term, but if you don't want your testosterone dropping, your health to fail, dementia, type II diabetes etc. you need to catch up as much as you can, and then figure out where you are between that and start *getting* that sleep. It's a lot tougher for police and military because the people who make your schedules are idiots who don't give a shit about your health, and many of your associates are idiots who think that doing that sort of work on 4 hours of sleep a night is cool and hard (and there's those genetic mutants who just sleep *better* than us mere mortals, and hence only need 5 to 6 hours, giving us an impossible standard to meet).

    The other thing is that we all have slightly different sensitivity for testosterone. It may be that a slight increase in T is all you need to get back to where you're making your wife a much happier woman, at least for 20 or 30 minutes.

    For the sleep there's some podcasts here that may help: https://peterattiamd.com/category/sleep/

    I really think that if you've only gone down hill the last 9 to 12 months (giving it some time before the "last 6 months" that your wife has noticed), then a combination of anxiety/stress leading to poorer sleep coupled with possible over-training might be taking it's toll.

    If I were 38 I'd have to give exogenous T a serious think--it tends to stop production of T, and while you can start producing it again, it's never going to get easier to fix the underlying conditions.

    I don't want to come off as against taking T, but I would want to do those things that reasonably optimize production and sensitivity first, because they will tend to have other health impacts as well.

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    I agree with a lot of what you said. (Thanks for the links to the sleep podcasts) And I am attacking it from both sides. I've taken a serious look at my diet, sleep, and recovery. My doctor is all-in on helping me out with it too. The current plan is to stay on my prescribed dose (100mg/week -- not super high) for a few months, do blood work, then come off it for a few weeks and re-do the blood work and re-evaluate. I will say I felt great after my dose last week: I slept like a rock, felt stronger in the gym, and my wife mentioned a noticeable difference in my general attitude and.....
    Sometimes you don't realize you're in a funk until you come through it. Some of it I'm sure can be attributed to the placebo effect, but probably not all of it.

    All of this to say, yeah, I'm definitely taking all factors into account and using every reasonable remedy at my disposal. Ultimately, would I like to be able to fix this without sticking myself once a week? 100%, and I'm going to try my hardest to make that the reality. OTOH, do some people drop off in their T production at this age? Yeah, and I may end up having to face the reality that I'm one of them. Hopefully, within the next few months, I'll be able to figure it all out and be back on track.
    Last edited by TrailDave; 11-23-2021 at 08:27 AM.
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    So, after a few months of investigating, researching, and consulting with my doc, it seems what happened was this: I had a vasectomy back in May. It seems my immune system started treating my remaining swimmers as foreign invaders, which lead to an attack on my testicles. Ipso facto -- testosterone levels tanked and may not ever recover. As mentioned by another member in another thread, I think I will be reaching out to Defy (or someone like that) to get a more expertly tuned course of therapy in place, since I've probably got another 4-5 decades of this ahead of me and I want to get it right.
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    Default SO FOR THE WT TESTOSTERONE CLUB

    Did your urologist diagnose this or which doctor figured it out?
    Last edited by FPO; 01-13-2022 at 10:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FPO View Post
    Did your urologist diagnose this or which doctor figured it out?
    The blood test? My low T was first diagnosed by a blood panel following a kidney stone. That was from a urologist.

    My GP did another blood panel that found it was still low and began treatment.

    Your regular doc should be able to do panels for you but probably won't be qualified to really treat it right. You would be best off to see a men's health specialist.

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    Test should be on every man's list over 35 years ofcage. There are a multitude of benefits with very few drawbacks (if any), and only a few things to keep track of blood-wise. Forget the "normal values" for a given age. Specially the older you get. You can be Superman until your eighties or you can be Burl Ives when you turn 60. The choice really is yours.
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