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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkface View Post
    So 30k armed people showed up and it had very little effect.... i wonder why. I am guessing because the democrates don't take them seriously and aren't afraid of them. What would make them reconsider? The most interesting thing I have seen was counties defecting to W Va.
    There's an old expression that answers your question it is, "money talks and shit walks".

    No, the Democrats don't care what the citizenry wants. It's all about party agenda and power.

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    It's no surprise that they didn't care. Anyone who thought that the demonstration would suddenly cause them to change course is a fool. But it does demonstrate willingness to publicly resist. It also demonstrated what the state and the democrats are really thinking.

    It revealed their fear of an armed and discontent populace: Northam's lockdown was a fear and power grabbing reaction. After voting to pass the AWB up to the House the committee scurried like rodents out of the side door of their meeting room.

    It revealed their willingness to use violence against citizens to enforce their will.

    The real value of these sort of events is that they can cause both sides to show their true colors.

    I think it's clear that the state isn't giving lip service to its threats.

    I don't know about the other side. But I do know that we aren't at a point where we need to find out yet.

    RE what would cause them to abandon the attempt: if it were highly likely that an AWB would be challenged and overturned in the USSC, that might stop them right in their tracks. It's happened before: I believe an ATF case was abandoned because it was decided that if it were to be challenged then it might result in the overturn of AWB or the NFA or something. Rather than proceed with prosecution they just gave up.

    Clearly the voice of the people won't (despite the left's incessant appeal to democracy") even if the voice might be from a minority (despite the left's constant claim to represent / protect the the rights of the minority).

    I don't think much else will change their course of action. Just have to hope that the Senate will have their head on straight, or that the USSC will strike it down.

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    WV made an offer. First a couple state legislators offered up a proposal, then the governor repeated it.

    But, legally, the counties would have to ask for and receive the permission of the dim/lib/prog/socialist government owned by Bloomberg. They won't want to give up the tax base - or the good feeling they get telling everyone how to live their lives.

    Could they move to WV without legal permission? I don't know, but it would be result in years of court battles they still might not win.

    Even if, the next election, results in a turn around in the state legislature and we get a republican majority we may still have to fight a dim/lib/prog/socialist governor. And if that's not an issue then we may have a republican majority that won't get the work down to repeal the BS we may get at the end of this legislative session. Just like the US house and senate. How many times did the house republicans cry that they'd like repeal Obamacare but just couldn't due to the dim/lib/prog/socialist majority? Then, when the got a republican majority on Trump's coat tails what did they do? Ignore Obamacare for two years when they knew they had control of the senate and the President would have signed a good law into effect if they'd have just passed one.

    Some republicans truly are rinos.

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    New thing going on in VA. They call it "Battle Buddies". Groups of people getting together in some areas to meet, get to know each other, check out each other's gear and start getting in shape by using some of those get togethers to hike through the woods/swamps/mountains. I think there is a requirement to carry a 35# ruck/backpack. Short hikes to start with to start building up people's ability/stamina.

    I haven't contacted any of them, nor do I understand them 100% but I'm wondering if some of them have decided to get start getting ready ahead of time in case the county they live in starts up a county militia like a couple VA counties have stated they will do.

    I almost went one of the hikes a couple weeks ago as it was right down the road from my house, but we had plans to go out of state that weekend and this time of the year trips of a few hundred miles are best done when the weather is favorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1A's r Best View Post
    New thing going on in VA. They call it "Battle Buddies". Groups of people getting together in some areas to meet, get to know each other, check out each other's gear and start getting in shape by using some of those get togethers to hike through the woods/swamps/mountains. I think there is a requirement to carry a 35# ruck/backpack. Short hikes to start with to start building up people's ability/stamina.

    I haven't contacted any of them, nor do I understand them 100% but I'm wondering if some of them have decided to get start getting ready ahead of time in case the county they live in starts up a county militia like a couple VA counties have stated they will do.

    I almost went one of the hikes a couple weeks ago as it was right down the road from my house, but we had plans to go out of state that weekend and this time of the year trips of a few hundred miles are best done when the weather is favorable.
    Personally, I have no desire to have anything to do in any way with the "crocodile mouth/hummingbird ass" sub-set of humanity. Groups like that tend to attract them. I really don't like the idea of "guilt by association".

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1A's r Best View Post
    WV made an offer. First a couple state legislators offered up a proposal, then the governor repeated it.

    But, legally, the counties would have to ask for and receive the permission of the dim/lib/prog/socialist government owned by Bloomberg. They won't want to give up the tax base - or the good feeling they get telling everyone how to live their lives.

    Could they move to WV without legal permission? I don't know, but it would be result in years of court battles they still might not win.
    I think that would be a much more interesting pivot for the conversation. As for asking for permission? What if all the counties just did it? There's been talk for a while now about states breaking up and forming new states.
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    If they really (the counties) wanted to push it I don't know why they don't stop sending taxes they collect to the state.

    The state threatens to withhold funds appropriated for schools, LE, roads, etc. (old blackface has already made that threat) for counties/cities that refuse to enforce the new unconstitutional laws being proposed.

    All the property and personal property taxes collected in each county are sent to the county treasurer/treasurer's office prior to going to the state. Don't send them to the state. Start a big bank account in a local bank - or start a county bank and put the funds there.

    Sales taxes are sent somewhere (I don't know where). Don't send them to the state. Tell every business from gas stations to stores to continue collecting the taxes and send the county treasurer a check every week for deposit in that account.

    Don't let the state choke the county/city - choke the state government.

    What the dim/lib/prog/socialist controlled state government is doing isn't legal, so why play legal with them?

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    Just saw this. Augusta County, VA BoS meeting coming up where a group of county citizens will speak to the BoS about forming a county militia. If it happens I think that will make the 3rd county to declare that position.

    https://www.sawnews.net/citizens-to-...ta-county-bos/

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1A's r Best View Post
    If they really (the counties) wanted to push it I don't know why they don't stop sending taxes they collect to the state.

    Boldened for emphasis. Because quite simply they are afraid and their future is compliance and appeasement. They are afraid of what will happen to them.


    The state threatens to withhold funds appropriated for schools, LE, roads, etc. (old blackface has already made that threat) for counties/cities that refuse to enforce the new unconstitutional laws being proposed.

    The Tax thing is a communist ideal if you think about it. Theft by a state under threat of violence and under color of authority. If we removed their ability to prosecute tax laws and they had no law enforcement capability, making taxes a suggested request, who would still pay them. The self sufficient communities with their own tax base...meaning residents with wealth and the ability to sustian their own area, can do this...but not those with a low per capita income.

    All the property and personal property taxes collected in each county are sent to the county treasurer/treasurer's office prior to going to the state. Don't send them to the state. Start a big bank account in a local bank - or start a county bank and put the funds there.

    I can see - for example - a rich county doing that. But a poor county would run out funds quickly for all the services people expect. Then they would complain and elect to go along with the communist ideal so that they can have what they once had...free stuff. Either that or they will move to a county where there are more affluent people to support them.

    Sales taxes are sent somewhere (I don't know where). Don't send them to the state. Tell every business from gas stations to stores to continue collecting the taxes and send the county treasurer a check every week for deposit in that account.

    Don't let the state choke the county/city - choke the state government.

    Good idea if you ask me, but my terpidations are illustrated above.


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    How about this:

    If everyone of the thousands of citizens that showed up to protest, donated $100.00 to a PAC (or the amount spent driving to the capitol, a meal and the drive back) created for the purpose of targeting a few key legislators in the general election. I believe the NRA will help set this up. Don't go the state rifle/pistol association.

    The PAC will have to report their finances which will be noted by worried legislators. Seek counsel from your most pro 2A law maker. Once you have declared money, doors will open to you, but hold onto the PAC money.

    Spread rumors. The State Rifle/Pistol association will join the effort. The NRA is considering matching funds to defeat these senators etc.

    Use social media to continue raising money, indirectly but very publicly.

    This is a tactic that liberal special interests have used to sway weak key and vulnerable Republicans to vote against the will of the people. The problem is that there needs to be a key figure in the movement who has the personality, intellect and drive to lead this movement.

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