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  1. #11
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    One who hammers his gun into a plow plows for those who do not....Unknown
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.J. Singleton View Post
    First guy to get shot might as well have been screaming "I'm drawing my gun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Tull View Post
    Exactly. Either explode off the X, or stay seated and surreptitiously draw. He did the worst of both.
    No joke. Even the guy that finally took the shot hesitated a couple times. He must have been stuck in gaurdian mode hoping they would talk him down instead of going murder hobo on the bad guy. Then after how the others with guns bumble their way in oblivious to everything but the downed gunman; not looking for another gunman. Plus other stuff. Lots of mindset issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Tull View Post
    There's so many learning points from this video. I'll start with the first one: don't use proactive tactics in a reactive gunfight. That's why the first guy got hit.
    That's a lot of truth in few words.
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    It looks to me like the perp turned the gun
    on himself.


    Edit to update. I found a higher quality vid
    on live leak, and the security guy to the
    extreme left made the shot. The perp
    had turned toward the pulpit & fired
    just as the kill shot connected.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=a7Egb_1577654583


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R_7Y0WnTjE
    Last edited by Johnny C!; 12-29-2019 at 04:44 PM.
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    The videos have been pulled, any chance they are shared elsewhere?

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    I can still watch it I guess because I haven't
    closed that YT link. Any suggestions on how
    I can copy it from that window?
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    "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" Alan Temby
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    One shot takes bad guy out of fight- great- but no one bothers to look for more bad guys , and everyone with a gun left standing sure made nice targets. Aside from that glad they were there glad they stopped him after he only got off a few shots and before he would had the chance to take hostage of pull off a suicide type bombing or killed more worshippers. They guy whom made the shot on bad guy could shoot and didn’t panic; a little training and he’d be a first rate soul snatcher.
    Under the circumstances most would be a little flat footed- in shock- not believing what their eyes and ears and nose are telling them, but he made the shot, anyone else notice the pink mist when shotgun hoodie takes the round?

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    I’ll also add it’s a shame that some of the party goers at the N.Y. Hanukkah party were not armed and had to watch in terror as five were wounded by a arsehole with a machete.
    Last edited by Nagantguy; 12-29-2019 at 06:03 PM.

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