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    Mike135, while you hear numerous people bragging that they have resolved health issues by going vegan/vegetarian, you don't hear from those who have tried it with no success. The point here is that people advertise success, but rarely, if ever, failure.

    Then, one must ask how much of the "success" is placebo effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.D. View Post
    Mike135, while you hear numerous people bragging that they have resolved health issues by going vegan/vegetarian, you don't hear from those who have tried it with no success. The point here is that people advertise success, but rarely, if ever, failure.

    Then, one must ask how much of the "success" is placebo effect.
    I'm guessing that it's mostly because they were overweight to begin with. Unless you're eating cookies and crap like that it's pretty hard to maintain a caloric surplus on a vegetarian, let alone vegan, diet. So they lose a little weight and they start feeling good. And it's not until later on that they start having troubles because they're not getting enough protein and B12 and this and that and the other thing...

    The ones who are pushing this vegatarian stuff on people are condemning them, especially the females, to an early grave.

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    There are exceptions to everything...outliers if you will...but in the time I have been following this study I have yet to personally meet any strong and muscular vegans. Met alot of fat vegans and a lot of frail vegans...but a vegan whose body looks like a Roman breastplate? Never.
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    Funny how diets become a religion. It should all be based on scientifically based results not on philosophy or theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    It should all be based on scientifically based results not on philosophy or theory.
    You just debunked nearly all of the Liberal/Progressive ideology with that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunstore Commando View Post
    I'm guessing that it's mostly because they were overweight to begin with. Unless you're eating cookies and crap like that it's pretty hard to maintain a caloric surplus on a vegetarian, let alone vegan, diet. So they lose a little weight and they start feeling good. And it's not until later on that they start having troubles because they're not getting enough protein and B12 and this and that and the other thing...

    The ones who are pushing this vegatarian stuff on people are condemning them, especially the females, to an early grave.
    Nah, it's trivial to maintain a caloric surplus on a Vegetarian/Vegan diet--almost every vegetarian I know is borderline overweight to obese. Most eat a lot of rice, bread, etc. Most of the vegans are either pale, unhealthy wrecks or also overweight. I know ONE--who has a masters degree in biochemistry and works in the pharma/nutraceutical industry most of the time--who is healthy. Of course he's nearly obsessive about his eating, getting blood work done etc. And he exercises a lot.

    The thing is that people generally do *feel* better when they switch to a Vegetarian diet. Or to a Vegan diet.

    Or, oddly enough, from one of those to a diet containing meat (those few who can admit to falling away from the faith).

    Just like people "feel great" and are "full of energy" after they start working out...for about a month. Then they stop.

    It's not the diet, it's not the exercise that makes them feel better, it's that they are *doing something* about their life. They are taking control. THAT is what they are feeling.

    It's sort of a solopistic Hawthorne Effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_effect workers productivity increased when lights are turned up. Or turned down. Or when any change happens while being watched).

    Oh, and most Vegetarians eat a lot more meat than they admit to.
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