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  1. #21
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    Yeah but....

    Gunfighting is NOT about emptying magazines so the point is not an issue.

    The other matter I discussed in a past post. Tell of real world events where a shot gunner only had one had available. I hear about Mireles all the time...but that is ONE EVENT over twenty years ago.
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  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by barnetmill View Post
    There is still one advantage to the self loading action. A pump action shotgun needs two reasonably intact arms and hands to fire a rapid second shot. The self loader needs only one hand with arm to empty the magazine.
    i am not advocating one over the other, but only stating one difference.
    Speed wise I can fire a pump shotgun quite fast, faster than I can aim it.
    and you can with any semi-auto as well. this is a training issue, not a hardware issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    Yeah but....

    Gunfighting is NOT about emptying magazines so the point is not an issue.

    The other matter I discussed in a past post. Tell of real world events where a shot gunner only had one had available. I hear about Mireles all the time...but that is ONE EVENT over twenty years ago.
    I can only think of 2. 1)injured where I will switch to a pistol or have a number of techniques to work a bump gun effectively, or 2) I'm on the motorcycle and that is a low percentage event.
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  3. #23
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    Maybe this should be in the Humor thread.

    I worked for a county 37 years ago that issued shotguns to its K9 officers.

    Pump-action PGOs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    John Wick as a tactical guide for millenial gunfighters...its like bragging that you went to an orgy and masturbated.

    That's the funniest thing I have ever read on this forum! I will be pirating this line.
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  5. #25
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    All yours bro....its a Monday so....
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    John Wick as a tactical guide for millenial gunfighters...its like bragging that you went to an orgy and masturbated.
    LOL. Fortunately, I do not take John Wick's tactics as a guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir2 View Post
    LOL. Fortunately, I do not take John Wick's tactics as a guide.
    I guess I must be strange since I have never seen a john wick movie and only know what I see about him mentioned here.
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkface View Post
    Nice video. Not much of a difference at all. Im glad I got an 870 tactical.

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