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  1. #11
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    Yeah, I think we can all agree that with the bigger the round , multiple shots, and proper shot placement wins.
    Definitely a shotgun gives better odds in the right hands.
    A co-worker caught a homicide where the victim was targeted. They knocked on his door when he answered they pretty much put the barrel on his chest and pulled the trigger.
    Co-worker said it was one of the oddest crime scene heís ever seen. Suspect on the ground with a hole in his chest and his heart sitting on a table beside him.



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  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by SUA SPONTE View Post
    The shotgun wins in this regard, 1 trigger press equals 7-9 holes.
    15 holes if you use #1 Buck.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackKnight View Post
    A co-worker caught a homicide where the victim was targeted. They knocked on his door when he answered they pretty much put the barrel on his chest and pulled the trigger.
    Co-worker said it was one of the oddest crime scene he’s ever seen. Suspect on the ground with a hole in his chest and his heart sitting on a table beside him.
    Sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Frederick View Post
    15 holes if you use #1 Buck.
    Exactly why my dad uses #1.

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    Double your pleasure, double your fun....

  5. #15
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    What is the SI preferred shotgun round?
    Paul

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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by paranoid View Post
    What is the SI preferred shotgun round?
    Me...on a PGO I used #4 as shown above...but on a braced or stocked weapon...00 has always worked for me in the past.
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  7. #17
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    I’m not familiar with much beyond double ought. What’s the patterning like on these?



    Quote Originally Posted by Killab View Post
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackKnight View Post
    Iím not familiar with much beyond double ought. Whatís the patterning like on these?
    Number 4 buckshot being smaller will lose velocity faster and even at closer ranges will penetrate less. But, makes about trice as many punctures as does the double 00. At closer ranges I think the number 4 is more deadly. At longer ranges or where more penetration is needed double 00 or triple 000 I think is better. I use number 4 for my place since the range in theory should be less and at distance after hitting a privacy fence should be less capable of collateral damage.
    For rifles, my AK will go through a privacy fence and perhaps if it hits the mortar between the bricks of an outer wall might penetrate into a house.
    One who hammers his gun into a plow plows for those who do not....Unknown
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    [QUOTE=Gabriel Suarez;1944218]

    This from a close friend who is a surgeon at a very busy ER - note bold lettering:

    "Another thing they did not mention in the article was caliber of weapon. This is important. I treated HEAPS of 9mm and .40 wounds that just required local wound care. Self defense rounds almost always caused a compartment syndrome necessitating decompression of the muscle. . . but nobody ever died from those wounds and most of them went back to their stupid lives.


    I had to look that one up...

    Compartment syndrome is a condition in which increased pressure within one of the body's anatomical compartments results in insufficient blood supply to tissue within that space.

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