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    Default STREET GROUND FIGHTING PERSPECTIVE

    From friend Guro Billy Brown - I agree 100%. I learned some ground work to learn to get up soonest. In my experience, and what I saw when I worked the streets...the fight that ends up on the ground, if it lingers there, turns into a boot party and a stay at the ICU. I teach my guys to look at being taken to the ground as a deadly force event and to shot the other off them even if it means a contact shot on the armpit, under the jaw or in any other natural aperture they can find.

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    In my many altercations, These are 3 SCARY times I hit the ground...

    March 14, 2014 at 3:44 PM

    There has been much discussion lately about the all famous rumor and cliche that everyone has heard before, "Well, all fights go to the ground!?!" You should research where that study took place. (A talk for another time)

    Look, all fights start on the feet should be the only "saying" that should be in your mindset and If you are careless enough to think that you will not only survive a real street attack where 90% of the time there are more than one person involved and where another 90% of the time weapons are either in play are at the very least at arms reach, well you are in left field and the game is over..


    And It becomes even more scary to me when you see our military men and women being told that they will be able to do this in the sand with a 70 pound ruck and a m16..

    Listen, I respect and appreciate all arts, even bad ones, especially if that art, or that particular instructor is helping people!


    In my 35 years of training, I have trained it all, or at the very least put semiserious research time in.. Bottom line is this, some TRAINING METHODS are geared more towards sport and not so much towards surviving that 3am attack between 2 parked cars in the cold with 2 or more thugs trying to bash your head in to take your shit! 3 things they want! Body, property or life! Sometimes all 3 and not necessarily in that order!.. And If anyone disagrees with that statement, they are either very GREEN or very naive, or both!

    The ground! Man, what a scary place to be when nothing but tar and pebbles are under you and 2 or more guys are letting you read the label on the bottom of their boots. Guys, you do NOT want to be there in the real world!! There has to come a time where someone tells you, look, situations change and so must tactics!

    I train and teach submission wrestling weekly. I was one of the first guys in my area to start training the ground, starting in Judo 25 years ago. I have a group that comes in for the sport and competition side as well as a group that come in for the "STREET" side , which we call TAR TACTICS.. And most of the guys that do the sport focused side, also cross train into the TAR TACTICS program. And they will be the first to tell you only after 1 week of training and pressure testing,There is a huge, a HUGE difference between the two.

    I have a LONG time friend here in my town who runs a great BJJ academy. We go back 20+ years. And he and I have had many sparring wars over the years! He took the BJJ path and actually turned into one of the finest BJJ men, and teachers I have seen! I will never forget talking to him a years ago about a situation i was in. He said man, I would hit him FIRST and Hit Him HARD! It would not let it go to the ground! I thought man, this amazing BJJ practitioner gets it! Then I started to see quotes from BJJ MASTERS, Legends really. Many stating that they would NOT want to go to the ground either In a REAL fight on the hot tar! That was interesting! And made me understand that people make arts work, not the other way around...

    So below, I am going to take you through the most scariest altercations in my almost 20 years years working a club doors, bar rooms, security details and body guard work. Being apart of literally HUNDREDS of altercations of all kinds, one on one, weapons, mass attack with up to 25 people involved, starting in New Orleans in 98 and working all over the south over the last 2 decades.

    These are some of the most frighting times in my career, and all 3 of them had me end up on the ground..

    The 3 Times I HIT the Ground!... I will take you through least scary to the almost career ending..

    1) A big ol country boy, but not really a boy, you see he was about 39 years old seasoned street fighter. He had been in many fights and walked around with that look.. You know it.. That look that says I don't really want you to talk to me, I just want to drink my beer look.. Anyway, he had flirted with a young girl while her boyfriend was there and was quickly rejected.. But all of that bud light and whiskey shots were not taking NO for an answer.. He ended up slapping her beer out of her hands and pushing her "smaller" boyfriend to the ground.. In walks the Bouncer.. By the way, I hate that term. Our job isn't to "bounce" anyone.. Its to manage people, but thats another topic.. Now on with the story. I asked him to leave, even offered to buy him another beer if he did so. He in turn turned his bottle over in his hand. Well, I had already been cut BADLY across the face a couple of years ago which left me with a pretty scar from left ear to almost left eye, so I want risking that again.. I immediately slapped the bottle into his face and I then went in for a classic throw from my 20 years of JUDO that I have used many times before on the street with good success, the classic Osoto Gari. Well, this night, NO success for the Osoto!

    I hit his leg and It felt like hitting a TREE! He didn't move, but guess what, I fell straight down, on my back with him on top of me! Well I wasn't having that! I immediately did a Hip heist, my BJJ friends may not be familiar with that term, I rolled him and took knee mount and pressed his right arm across his body. I then hit him twice rendering him unconscious, my favorite way for an aggressive attacker to be.. :)
    My staff carried him out, woke him up and he went home. Well, later the boss takes me in the back office and says look, as I watched the footage from the security cameras I found out that the 2 punches were really 13! Yeah, over kill maybe, or maybe not. I have see this man fight people. I know of his 2 blades always on his person. And guess what, I HATE FALLING ON CONCRETE! :)

    2) This one was bad. Some would say worse than the last one I shared, but I don't think so.. Although, out of the many altercations, This one I actually thought, for just a glimmer of a second that I was about to die!


    Here it is..

    To make a long story short, this kid, 19 or 20, who looked like a young Mike Tyson, body locked me, even after I landed a very well placed "Headbutt" which I call a FACEBUTT.. He picked me up, jumped and literally slammed me onto wet pebble concrete! I blacked out! To this day I believe In my heart that If I had not came too, I would not be here sharing these stories with you.
    - I came to to find him in my half guard, his mistake not my tactical decision Im sure.. He was raining punches down and his 5 friends had encircled us and was cheering him on, like he was their hometown favorite. (My Ist) thought, these thugs are going to kill me.


    Second, Im ready! and third, just not now!..

    I took my left knee and kneed his back as hard as I could which broke his poster. I wrapped his head into what I would describe as a REVERSE rear naked choke sticking my thumb of my left hand as far as I could in his right eye. I latched him in tight! Then I proceeded to bite the entire portion of the bottom of his right ear off! I know, may be a bit distasteful for some of you.. :)

    Two things happened right away.
    1) he quit fighting and starting screaming! I have never heard screams like this before..
    And 2) As he was SCREAMING over and over, "GET HIM OFF OF ME" "GET HIM OFF OF ME", his 5 friends, who could have killed me, actually backed up after one saying, "YO BRO, you are on top of him, you handle it!" They backed up and after left their friend to be mauled!


    I didn't quit doing the pit bull hustle until he was pulled off by the New Orleans PD! They sit him down and I will never forget the sight.. This HARDENED street thug, looking like a defeated man with this GOOK and liquid running out of his eyes (Vitreous fluid) and blood running down his neck!


    Funny ending for you, I had to take a mountain do bottle and cut a sliver out of it to make a toothpick to get a pieces of meat out of my teeth.. :) TRUE STORY that I like bringing out at family barbecues...

    Now, do you want to go around biting everyone? HECK NO!! But remember, I thought I was about to die! It was either, take your chances NOW, or DIE NOW! I choose to live..


    There is an entire scientific martial art that only a couple of hundred years old that dedicates its training to the art of biting and eye gauging! Very few people in the states train it or even know of it! I am grateful that I have trained in for 25 years now! This IS not the only time the use of this art has saved my life but It is the one I chose for this article. The name of this amazing combative art is called Kinamotay.
    3) And that brings me to this one! The ABSOLUTE scariest fight of my career! One that will follow me forever! One that nearly ended my career!

    I was working a spot and a guy ripped a bottle out of a girls mouth CHIPPING her 2 front teeth. Now, we were on this wood deck with a little roof over it and It was PORING down rain, a freaking monsoon I tell you. I immediately popped this chump with an elbow as the girl, a student of mine, punched his friend in the face! What we didn't know is he had 3 more friends with him. Everyone, I mean EVERYONE slipped and fell, but me, well I slipped..... weird! In a freak accident, Weird enough, I COMPLETELY TORE my rectus femurs (quad), yes, the BIGGEST muscle in your leg! I heard it and felt it, a pain that I never want to re-live! I was down on one knee and could not stand. The young lady behind me on her back screaming and still fighting. The guy I elbowed was done, didn't see him again, but his 3 friends were not.

    One of them was actually KNEELING on the young lady who punched him, while trying to "CHOKE" me, I thank God he didn't have a clue what he was doing, and the other 3 were popping me with 6 fist!

    I yelled In pain 4 times, I GIVE UP! You WIN! I GIVE UP! NOTHING! They kept going! They had me...
    They thought. I made the decision to end it, NOW! I deployed my trusty 4 inch emerson tactical folder, indexed it to reverse grip and the next punch that came in, I ran his fist through as hard and fast as I could! That did it! He looked at his hand and passed out un-conscience! The others, never seeing the blade, thinking I just gutted their friend, ran and scattered in fear! I went to the hospital! And even as I sit here typing this, I will remember that night forever as I have this heating pad on my deformed leg muscle and stay in chronic pain.

    The next day some detectives met me at my academy to interview me and within 5 minutes ruled it SELF DEFENSE in my favor within minutes! I was forced to use my blade one more time In a similar situation with a similar outcome, but I choose not to talk about that one here.

    So, there you go! Out of all of the altercations, being cut severely with bottles and blades, hit with objects, fights with up to 25 people, where I actually loss BOTH shoes! Seriously... None of those can compare to how SCARY it is to be on the ground in a REAL FIGHT. on REAL TAR with REAL violence and chaos is rearing its unpredictable face!

    Listen!


    LEARN and TRAIN to FINISH and FINISH FAST! ON YOUR FEET! Utilize tools that stop BIG people, Like Elbows, Head Butts, (FACEBUTTS), and Knees! Understand the FORCE CONTINUUM and the KILLER INSTINCT DIAL! Understand what our bodies go through In real time is life altercations. The adrenal dump, the release of cortisol, visual and auditory deterioration and more! All these things and many more what what most instructors have very little clue about!


    And If your life is on the line, you MUST have what I call a BLACK BAG TOOL BOX!!


    I implore all of you. All of my MMA friends who love to compete, all of my LEO's and Military friends and colleagues.. Research REALITY and TRAIN for IT! Question everything! And above all.... ALWAYS, ALWAYS TEACH WITH CONSCIENCE!


    - Guro Billy Brown




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    Excellent perspective.

    This is the kind of material you will get out of the Pistol Ground Fighting class.

    I've spent my life training multiple martial disciplines. I specifically focused on Jujutsu for a number of years because ground work was not in my wheelhouse and it's something I wanted to develop. As primarily a stand up striker/gun guy, my focus was never to be a great grappler, but to be great at not getting killed by grapplers...and their friends that happen to be standing around.

    So, I have developed not so much as a Jujutsu specialist, but an Anti-Jujutsu specialist.

    That mindset was a guiding light when I developed the PGF curriculum. It's not MMA, it's a gunfight that happens to be on the ground.

    I'm working on scheduling some PGF classes for 2020, stay tuned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    In my experience, and what I saw when I worked the streets...the fight that ends up on the ground, if it lingers there, turns into a boot party and a stay at the ICU. I teach my guys to look at being taken to the ground as a deadly force event and to shot the other off them even if it means a contact shot on the armpit, under the jaw or in any other natural aperture they can find.
    These are two foundational principles of PGF.

    1 - If you've been knocked to the ground, the guy has already proven that he has an advantage over you. Whether you went down because of an injury (as the pulled muscle in the story above), because it was slick, because the other guy is good at takedowns, or because Murphy dropped a banana peel under your foot, the other guy has an advantage. I would argue that in the heat of the moment, the other guy has proven that his kung fu is stronger than yours (whether that's true or not, he got the drop on you). YOU ARE ALREADY LOSING.

    And in the real world he probably has friends. This is easily justifiable if you practice your legal articulation skills.

    2 - Shoot what you can hit. Ground fighting is chaotic, it's hard to see shit, it's confusing, and you're taking damage one way or another. This is not a marksmanship challenge, it's a get your muzzle on to SOMETHING challenge. That means if all you can get at the moment is his kneecap, take the shot. Degrade his ability to fight as best you can until you can create an opening to end it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Yamamoto View Post
    I'm working on scheduling some PGF classes for 2020, stay tuned.
    You bet.

    And talk about a niche for the snubby...
    Last edited by Papa; 09-07-2019 at 11:48 AM.
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    Tagging to read later.

    Thanks for the write-up Gabe!

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    Fantastic timing and info.
    Thanks for sharing, and thank you Brent for your input.
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    People are not natural ground fighters. We are meant to stay on our feet; getting knocked to the ground is like being a fish out of water (and a fish that’s been clonked on the head to boot).

    There are all kinds of fancy Jujutsu ground techniques. These are certainly good tools, but you don’t need them. The best thing about learning Jujutsu submissions is that they give you something to practice on the ground...the techniques aren’t so important, it’s that you practice something on the ground and learn how to be less of a fish out of water. Jujutsu submissions aren’t important, learning how to move, feel, react and respond is. Grappling practice is a great way to do that.

    I therefore don’t teach much technique in PGF. Students won’t remember them anyway unless they are Jujutsu specialists (and those guys don’t need my help with that stuff).

    What I teach are gunfighting principles specifically tailored to the ground fighting problem. You will learn the principles and then practice how to apply them with partners offering increasing resistance.

    Gabe mentioned a couple of the principles, there are several more. You guys who took the class, please share some.
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    Use the enemy's weapons against him. Anything he has on his belt is yours to use.

    And don't be squeamish. Eyes, ears, corner of the mouth, nose, neck.

    You have claws and teeth. Use them.

    Go full werewolf. Just not in training.
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