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  1. #41
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    UPDATE FROM OUR FRIENDS AT BLACK ACES

    Hi Gabe, Eric from Black Aces Tactical here. Just a quick note about the ATF letter. No one went to the ATF and asked permission about the folders. It was only recently that the ATF has decided to change their view on folding braces for firearm/other weapons and August 2018 we were approached. Through our attorneys, Black Aces Tactical has been working with the ATF to formulate an acceptable solution over the 12 months, and the end result is the letter stating that the customers are to configure their weapons to the 2014 approval letter.

    Additionally, this is and will affect a multitude of weapons. The assistant director of the ATF has stated that all in the industry will receive equal treatment.


    So there it is. Options are to

    1). Add a 16" length barrel or add a breacher of 2" to your barrel - we will see about the breacher and the service at the store.
    2). Permanently secure the brace into an open position - gotta see your gunsmith or machinist for that...out of our wheel house.
    3). Change the brace to a fixed brace such as what we have for the Tac-series from SB Tactical and configured by us in the Pointman series.

    And if you have ANY weapon with a folding stock, make sure it fits within the characteristics.
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    M1A1 carbine: 25.75".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa View Post
    M1A1 carbine: 25.75".
    Oh well.
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    Originally Posted by Papa
    M1A1 carbine: 25.75".


    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    Oh well.
    I thought this was all for smooth bore weapons that normally must have 18 barrels and 26 inches or 14 inches and still have 26 inches overall length without a shoulder stock. Where are pistols and rifles fitting into this new ruling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barnetmill View Post

    I thought this was all for smooth bore weapons that normally must have 18 barrels and 26 inches or 14 inches and still have 26 inches overall length without a shoulder stock. Where are pistols and rifles fitting into this new ruling.
    I do not know and I do not care. See the copy of the email I posted, feel free to extrapolate what you will.

    Additionally, this is and will affect a multitude of weapons.
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    Government regulators, always adding value to humanity.
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    Damnit. And I just picked up a folding Tac14 brace from the gear store. Time to get a 16” bbl I guess...
    - "When a resolute young fellow steps up to the great bully, the world, and takes him boldly by the beard, he is often surprised to find it comes off in his hand, and that it was only tied on to scare away the timid adventurers."- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa View Post
    M1A1 carbine: 25.75".
    I doubt existing guns, particularly C&R stuff like the 'Lil Carbine will be effected. I think there is at least one company making copies of that today, they might need to deal with this with new made inventory but I really doubt anyone gives a crap about the gazillions of old M1 Carbines in gun safes and at ranges. Might as well start worrying about Broomhandles and whether or not you can run a repro stock or if it has to be original (no joke, it gets debated on geezer boards.) The fact is, no one cares.

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