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    Default ATF letter on shotguns with braces - Black Aces Tactical Pro Series 5, and Pro Series

    Interesting to discuss if this applies to the brace innovations here.

    In the letter, ATF states that based on the A&D Records of Black Aces Tactical, the recipient of the letter may “have received one or more Black Aces Tactical Pro Series 5 or Pro Series 9 firearms.” It goes on to state that certain configurations of those firearms may have brought them into the purview of the NFA.

    ATF’s inquiry involves Black Aces Tactical Pro Series 5, and Pro Series 9, firearms incorporating folding stabilizing braces and smoothbore barrels of less than eighteen (18) inches. These firearms are either designed and assembled to be fired from the shoulder by the inclusion of extenders and spacers and thus constitute a shotgun with a barrel length of less than eighteen (18) inches in length, or are assembled such that they were not designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder, and when the brace is folded, are less than 26 inches and thus capable of being concealed on a person.

    In other words, the firearms in question are either Short Barrel Shotguns (if they were designed and assembled to be fired from the shoulder) or Any Other Weapons) if they were not but have an OAL of less than 26 inches with the stabilizing brace folded.
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    well since assholes keep poking the bear, the folding brace is not designed in a manner that once installed, lends itself to being fired in a folded position as it impedes the use of the action bars therefore limiting function of the firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Spade View Post
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    In this case nobody wrote to the ATF. It looks like the ATF has obtained a list of FFLs who have been supplied the gun from the manufacturer. The ATF is now asking the FFLs where the guns are.

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    I doubt it began that way.

    This is what happens when people act like Boy Scouts. Only options are to put the shockwave PG on again, add a longer barrel, or change to the non-folding unit we sell. There may be an option to modify the folder to remain open with a drill and a welding rod, but I am not sure.

    As a side note...every single AK built by Fuller and Century and others with a folding stock is 25 1/2" long with the stock folded.
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    So why is it that the ATF can retroactively criminalize legally-purchased property?
    Weren’t guns bought before the assault weapons ban still legal to own during the ban for example?
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