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    Default ATF letter on shotguns with braces - Black Aces Tactical Pro Series 5, and Pro Series

    Interesting to discuss if this applies to the brace innovations here.

    In the letter, ATF states that based on the A&D Records of Black Aces Tactical, the recipient of the letter may “have received one or more Black Aces Tactical Pro Series 5 or Pro Series 9 firearms.” It goes on to state that certain configurations of those firearms may have brought them into the purview of the NFA.

    ATF’s inquiry involves Black Aces Tactical Pro Series 5, and Pro Series 9, firearms incorporating folding stabilizing braces and smoothbore barrels of less than eighteen (18) inches. These firearms are either designed and assembled to be fired from the shoulder by the inclusion of extenders and spacers and thus constitute a shotgun with a barrel length of less than eighteen (18) inches in length, or are assembled such that they were not designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder, and when the brace is folded, are less than 26 inches and thus capable of being concealed on a person.

    In other words, the firearms in question are either Short Barrel Shotguns (if they were designed and assembled to be fired from the shoulder) or Any Other Weapons) if they were not but have an OAL of less than 26 inches with the stabilizing brace folded.
    https://www.recoilweb.com/have-a-bla...ow-152400.html

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    Well...too late now Greg. The Mother May I Crowd strikes again. To fix the concern, guys can use this - https://suarezinternational.com/suar...e-system-12ga/

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    well since assholes keep poking the bear, the folding brace is not designed in a manner that once installed, lends itself to being fired in a folded position as it impedes the use of the action bars therefore limiting function of the firearm.

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    Thanks a lot, permission seekers. Great job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkface View Post
    These are the kind of people that would call and ask their parents if they can have sex...
    At this point the gun community deserves whatever it gets....and it has brought it all on itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Spade View Post
    I've never understood why people invite the Eye of Mordor to gaze in their direction.
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