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    GETTING TO THE SHOT - PART 1


    Today on my forum, warriortalk.com, a member commented in incredulity on the El Paso shooting. That a place like Texas, with so many CCW licensees, and likely many in the Walmart being covertly armed, that nobody shot the gunman. The same could be said of any mass shooting that takes place in any state where CCW is prolific. A great question.
    Here is what I think.


    1). Most people, whether police or private citizens, have a trained aversion to kill and will do everything possible to not engage. The guys that interdict active shooters are outliers in society. When most people on scene are of the violence-avoidance types, they will most likely not engage the shooter. See my prior articles on Fear Aggression , and The Predator Mind.


    2). The information flow is always the same, but many will not be able to process it fast enough to act upon it. A great deal has to do with proximity, but also what the individual’s perception of events is. The man on scene receives information first hand but may or may not understand it.

    Were those shots?

    Why are people running?

    Where is the shooter?

    What does he look like?

    What can I do?

    What will I do?


    The more internal debate that takes place, the more one will talk themselves out of action and into submission or flight. And CCW folk are nothing special. They are everyday average people that happen to have a pistol with them, but their self-identity is no different from the fleeing masses of victims. Running to cover with everyone else and allowing someone “more qualified” is far more comfortable than doing the opposite of the herd, and I expect many will take the easy way out. And they likely have already prepared a myriad of “reasonable” excuses to justify themselves.


    The flow of information for police may be different as they are receiving justification data on the radio. But at the risk of being labelled anti-police, I saw the same thing when I was on the job. Officers who had the shot, were justified ten times over, but failed to act. Society has not changed and police that come from that society will not be very different.


    The officers that speed to the scene to kill the gunman are outliers in their field and likely passing by other officers that are somehow not moving as fast…or not taking the same direct route to contact…or are waylaid by victims and other things not directly involved in killing the gunman. That is human nature. Sometimes we get a perfect confluence of events with the outlier officer and the gunman and he is eliminated in minutes. Other times we get debacles like Broward County and Thousand Oaks. In my opinion, the conclusion will depend on who arrives on scene in time to act.


    But what of the guys that are not already soul-snatching meat eaters, but want to be? Becoming that is not difficult if the will is there to do so.


    First is understanding what you want to be and do. What is your self image? Are you just another armed but helpless victim, or are you the one that will interdict the active shooter? How do you see yourself? Decide now and engrave that deep in your mind. The rest will follow easily.


    More discussion to follow.
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    My main question would be:

    For the CCW citizen who isn’t getting as up to date as possible descriptions and movement of the bad guy, do you wait for an opportunity or move toward an opportunity?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Calhoun View Post
    My main question would be:

    For the CCW citizen who isn’t getting as up to date as possible descriptions and movement of the bad guy, do you wait for an opportunity or move toward an opportunity?


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    That depends on you. Me...I hate to miss opportunities by waiting for them...but I am not everyone else.
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    I intend to hunt and kill the murderous SOB. Why else would I train with SI and absorb the lessons offered here? The one time events seemed to be going that way in a bank, my hand was moving to engage, so I think I will respond as I see myself. If today is the day, I pray that God will use me as His crude tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Calhoun View Post
    My main question would be:

    For the CCW citizen who isn’t getting as up to date as possible descriptions and movement of the bad guy, do you wait for an opportunity or move toward an opportunity?


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    Got it.


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    People fleeing toward me indicate the direction I must go...
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    I believe it starts at our first CCW course: We are lectured (scared)for hours on why we should not take the "$60,000 shot". All the trouble we will be in, and all the paperwork, being on the news, all that. Then, when we actually get out of the classroom onto the range, its "Draw, two shots, holster". It took a lot of practice, and scolding from IDPA officials, to unlearn that.
    "When the fightin’ starts, and things look bad, and it looks like you're not going to make it, you gotta get mean. I mean plum mad dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up, then you'll neither win nor live. That's just the way it is..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by alex v View Post
    I believe it starts at our first CCW course: We are lectured (scared)for hours on why we should not take the "$60,000 shot". All the trouble we will be in, and all the paperwork, being on the news, all that. Then, when we actually get out of the classroom onto the range, its "Draw, two shots, holster". It took a lot of practice, and scolding from IDPA officials, to unlearn that.
    You are invited to sit in on my next CCW, free of charge. PM me if you're interested, and you'll get a slightly different perspective.
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    Ah, I should have made it clear that the CCW class I attended was not a Suarez facility. Probably obvious, but just to clarify. The scolding from IDPA officials was for completely the wrong reason: They disallowed holstering with a loaded weapon. Of course, we SI students would never holster an empty weapon if we have a spare magazine.
    "When the fightin’ starts, and things look bad, and it looks like you're not going to make it, you gotta get mean. I mean plum mad dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up, then you'll neither win nor live. That's just the way it is..."
    Outlaw Josie Wales

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