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    Default THE ARMY'S NEW SMG

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    On Monday, Army Contracting Command awarded Swiss defense contractor Brugger & Thomet a $2.5 million contract to outfit the personal security details with the APC9K carbine.

    ARMY'S NEW SMG

    It is interesting how with all the mini 5.56 rifles, and PDWs, the goal was a 9mm.
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    "...greater lethality than pistols...."

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    1080 RPM, that equates to 18 rounds per second. You won't be able to single shot that thing on full auto.
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    Just watched a test on MAC. Low recoil, highly controllable, compact. If you can run an AR, you can run this. But the high RPM means the best you can do is three rounds, give or take, per pull on full auto.

    Note the mag release and the bolt release are relatively close to each other. Until you have some reps in, careful not to dump the mag when you mean to release the bolt. Charging handle does not reciprocate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa View Post
    Just watched a test on MAC. Low recoil, highly controllable, compact. If you can run an AR, you can run this. But the high RPM means the best you can do is three rounds, give or take, per pull on full auto.

    Note the mag release and the bolt release are relatively close to each other. Until you have some reps in, careful not to dump the mag when you mean to release the bolt. Charging handle does not reciprocate.
    My failsafe is to pull back on whatever retracts the bolt, then release and not go around pushing buttons
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    Given what the Army wants this thing for, I’m having a hard time understanding why they didn’t just go with the MP9, another excellent weapon made by Brugger and Thomet.
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    I suspect this is going to be an item of VERY LIMITED issue (or at least that is the intent). It sounds like it is a weapon for EP missions and similar. In THAT role not only does 9mm "work"; but so does a high cyclic rate.

    Now the question will be how long before "special" guys decide they neeeeeeed it for out of design missions, because they are special kinda like how PDWs which were designed for non combat troops, ended up in the hands of SOF and SWAT types.

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    That picture is of the pervious model. The Army model has different charging handles and has been adapted to an AR grip. Here is a picture. Note it has BUIS built into the rail - similar to what you find on a Tavor.
    https://cdn.athlonoutdoors.com/wp-co...019/04/BT.jpeg

    If shot it next to my MP5. It is lighter, more compact, and recoil is reduced by the internal hydraulic buffer. The MP5 recoil, however, is divine and Bruce Willis or the SAS did not carry it. It will fire with the stock retracted.

    I like that it's just a lower change to get to Glock or Sig mags.
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    Since it’s soecifixally called out for PSD’s you can expect it’s to make the Generals happy by making their PSD look cool. The SF guys I was with in Astan had 2 MP5’s that occasionally came out for fun. A general stopped by one day and half of his PSD has them.
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