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    The concensus here seems to be that tacking was not the coach's best option in this situation. What other tactics should have he used instead? He wasn't armed, so "shoot him in the face" isn't a useful response.

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    Default Tackling campus gunmen is the new anti-terror technique

    Any action more aggressive than victim-cowering in a corner is movement, however slight, towards self-reliance. I would consider the violent tackle a step forward in the language of violence on the way to the least expensive solution using multiple karate-like strikes by high velocity JHP techniques.
    Coach Lowe self-selected, used a practiced skill, and apparently delivered a threat-stopping strike. No question he would have been better served, and less at risk, if properly armed and trained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrok View Post
    The concensus here seems to be that tacking was not the coach's best option in this situation. What other tactics should have he used instead? He wasn't armed, so "shoot him in the face" isn't a useful response.
    In TASI I teach a couple of tackle/takedown techniques but they focus on targeting the head & neck and leveraging your weight and momentum + leverage to detach the spine from the skull, or smashes the receiver face first into the ground while receiving a choke that will break the H bone and or put them out in a second or two with minimal fuss. I usually walk through both techniques with the largest person in class to show that it's even effective with someone much bigger in stature. I believe I used Dorkface as my recipient in CO, so he can comment on if he thinks it would be effective or not.
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    Indeed. When Greg hit me from behind the only reason my face wasn't driven into the dirt was because I was expecting it and Greg wasn't trying to actually hurt me. Once on the ground the options of what to do after punching someones face with the planet are almost endless. If one has the will.

    If Icremember right the second one was where he hit me from the front in a clothes line that he rolled into a blood choke and, after asking if it was ok, choked me out. I might be misremembering that one. I do know I got choked out lol.

    After that I think Greg used the taller guy in class to show ways of seperating the head from the spine. Even when someone doesn't have some tools with them they are far from unarmed.
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    Alternatives, face full of fire extingisher followed by bludgeoning said shooter into the ground with the same extingisher , puts out fires and shooters.

    The proactive takedown would be preferred if there wasnt sufficient time to prepare the ambush AND the operator was trained in the technique.

    Though it does bring to mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by coastalcop View Post

    Though it does bring to mind

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    since I myself work in a non-permissive environment (high school campus) threads like this are a great source of info for me

    so the the thought should be improvised weapons on the subject versus tackling/grappling?

    I do carry a couple of objects which could be used as improvised items, but don't scream "weapon" and interfere with my retirement or my ability to pay child support. I also continuously look around when I'm in different locations on campus and other district buildings and think of what I could or could not use

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nichols View Post
    In TASI I teach a couple of tackle/takedown techniques but they focus on targeting the head & neck and leveraging your weight and momentum + leverage to detach the spine from the skull, or smashes the receiver face first into the ground while receiving a choke that will break the H bone and or put them out in a second or two with minimal fuss. I usually walk through both techniques with the largest person in class to show that it's even effective with someone much bigger in stature. I believe I used Dorkface as my recipient in CO, so he can comment on if he thinks it would be effective or not.
    Thanks, Greg. I appreciate the response and agree that more violence could have been applied. It's better to focus on disabling the shooter than simply disarming them. I hope to make it to your TASI class someday.

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