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    Default Very infomative discussion by a Russian expert on the background of the AK

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    That was an informantive video I knew that the Chinese used the SKS as their infantry rifle and issued the AK as a SMG but I didn't know that was the russians initial intention I also found it interesting that they wanted a simple 7.62x39 bolt gun to issue to rear echelon troops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.J. Singleton View Post
    That was an informantive video I knew that the Chinese used the SKS as their infantry rifle and issued the AK as a SMG but I didn't know that was the russians initial intention I also found it interesting that they wanted a simple 7.62x39 bolt gun to issue to rear echelon troops.

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    I have sorta wanted a simple AK bolt gun like what CZ makes, but never had a strong enough urge to get one since I already have several different semiautos in that caliber and I do have bolt guns in other calibers. So it will likely never happen unless I come across a very good deal for one.
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    ...at the end of the day its not about anything else but YOU AND YOURS..... Gabe Suarez
    ....WANT not NEED is what America is all about. ..... Gabe Suarez
    Its not about how fast you can load, but about how well you can shoot ..... Someone being saved by a speed load is not something that has happened with any regularity. Gabe Suarez

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    Quote Originally Posted by barnetmill View Post
    I have sorta wanted a simple AK bolt gun like what CZ makes, but never had a strong enough urge to get one since I already have several different semiautos in that caliber and I do have bolt guns in other calibers. So it will likely never happen unless I come across a very good deal for one.
    Ruger american ranch is available in 7.62x39

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    Great info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.J. Singleton View Post
    Ruger american ranch is available in 7.62x39

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    price wise internet price

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    • Includes free shipping Too bad it does not use the AK mag. I will do some reading up on it.
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    Experimental russian bolt action 7.62x39 post WWII rifles
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    After the decision to create a new family of infantry weapons for the then-new intermediate 7.62x41mm obr.1943 cartridge (the precursor to 7.6239), Soviet designers were tasked with creating new kinds of weapons in this chambering, including machine guns, selfloading rifles, assault rifles, and bolt-action carbines. This last category was apparently given a low priority, as it was only after the war had ended that any development in this area becomes evident. By this time, the 7.62x41mm cartridge had been replaced by the now-familiar 7.62x39mm round, which had a slightly shorter neck, longer bullet ogive, and steel bullet core.

    The weapons were intended as inexpensive rifles for rear-echelon troops, but the semiautomatic SKS carbines were apparently cost-competitive, and production never began for any of the intermediate caliber carbines.

    All the weapons apparently had 10-round fixed magazines, fed from stripper clips. Beyond that, the requirements are unknown. Even Russian firearms expert Max Popenker does not know how many designers worked on the project, but there were apparently three different patterns of weapon, two very similar Mosin-Nagant-derived weapons, The KB-P400 from Degtyarev, the ISS-11P-47 from Simonov, and a third Mauser-derived design from Tokarev.






    The KB-P400 entry by Degtyarev, based on the Mosin system. Image source: Maxim Popenker


    ISS-11P-47 7.6239 bolt-action carbine, by Simonov. Based on the Mosin system. Image source: Maxim Popenker

    The Mauser-pattern Tokarev submission, index unknown. Image source: Maxim Popenker
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    Its not about how fast you can load, but about how well you can shoot ..... Someone being saved by a speed load is not something that has happened with any regularity. Gabe Suarez

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