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  1. #41
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    Is it only me, or is that thing mounted backwards?

    People who dislike the window size on the RMR should love this one.

    I like the protective "owl ears." What a---hoot.
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  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    Amazed at how many want to hate the RMR.
    A Docter min sight is better than the RMR?
    Someone explain to me why.
    Hipsters that want to be different? People that wan't to save $200 dollars for all that sweet tula ammo they could buy instead of getting a fight tested and proven RMR? That Docter sight looks like it would break if you looked at it in a mean way.
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  3. #43
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    New from Doctors Optics. It replaces the MOS plate. Looks about as durable as a paper plate on Thanksgiving.




    Well, where to begin. It's an interesting concept piece apparently conceived in marketing, without input from anyone contemplating a serious purpose for it.

    That teeny tiny window. Why?

    The height of the unit includes the wings which might just as well have allowed that much larger a window and will undoubtedly slice your hand during an immediate action drill. They look like they were put there to protect the product name on the top of the unit.

    The lens appears to be flush with the front of the unit with no protective inset.

    The lens assembly looks like it was mortised into the base, rather than manufactured as one piece. Call me a skeptic, but I see it coming loose after some hard use.

    I will give them points for the battery placement on top where it is easily accessible.

    I will take the points back for its marriage to the MOS platform.

    The very low profile is commendable, but the footprint is wrong. An RMR footprint would go farther than MOS.

    This is a good prototype, but several generations short of what it should have been at its commercial release. Just one more company chasing the money rather than excellence. I don't remember whether it was a signature line or in a thread on this forum, but the motto "Excellence is the only authority" come to mind. Too many companies have lost sight of that concept.
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  4. #44
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    The RMR is still the best option for a real fighting pistol. I don’t understand all the huff ‘n puff about a cheaper but “better” option.

    Mo betta’ cost mo money. Simple as that.

    I have at least 5000 rounds on my RM06 Type 2, with about 2K mounted on a Glock 23, and the rest on a 19. (Including a week-long L.E. Firearms Instructor course before I retired, a couple of SI courses, a Northern Red class, etc.) And 10X that much dry practice. (I even dry-practice when I’m doing cardio on my elliptical.)

    The RMR, properly set up, is pretty bulletproof. Certain U.S. SOCOM units have been running them in training and actual combat for a few years now. Now SOCOM is officially adopting their coyote version of the RMR. The Delta guy I’ve trained with made it clear that his Unit could pretty much have anything they want as far as optics go. Anything. He said the guys who run red-dots on pistols run RMR’s.

    As many have said, #1 would be a battery that you could replace without dismounting and still keep at LEAST the water-resistance it has, and maybe making the top convex for a little more view-through but only if it didn’t effect strength/reliability.

    Sigh... Still discussing this.
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  5. #45
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    When it comes to selecting equipment, a lot of guys don't want to pay for durability and quality, and a lot of guys want to be different to be different. They want to be the first kid at the gun club to have "X", even if "X" won't stand up to hard use. Because they won't ever run their equipment hard enough to break it anyway.

    "It's just as good as . . . " usually is NOT
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKern View Post
    New from Doctors Optics. It replaces the MOS plate. Looks about as durable as a paper plate on Thanksgiving.




    Well, where to begin. It's an interesting concept piece apparently conceived in marketing, without input from anyone contemplating a serious purpose for it.

    That teeny tiny window. Why?

    The height of the unit includes the wings which might just as well have allowed that much larger a window and will undoubtedly slice your hand during an immediate action drill. They look like they were put there to protect the product name on the top of the unit.

    The lens appears to be flush with the front of the unit with no protective inset.

    The lens assembly looks like it was mortised into the base, rather than manufactured as one piece. Call me a skeptic, but I see it coming loose after some hard use.

    I will give them points for the battery placement on top where it is easily accessible.

    I will take the points back for its marriage to the MOS platform.

    The very low profile is commendable, but the footprint is wrong. An RMR footprint would go farther than MOS.

    This is a good prototype, but several generations short of what it should have been at its commercial release. Just one more company chasing the money rather than excellence. I don't remember whether it was a signature line or in a thread on this forum, but the motto "Excellence is the only authority" come to mind. Too many companies have lost sight of that concept.
    I like the fact that this is purpose built not forced to fit. It's a good idea. I don't know anything about that company or their products because I have a Trijicon. I won't really research pistol optics until I'm in the market for another one.

    There is always going to be a lot of "me too" crap on the market. Every so often something really good hits. The trick imo is to be patient.

  7. #47
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    Buy once, cry once... RMR.
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