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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    My opinion...for those that care...people are afraid of certain things because they have been trained to be afraid of those things.
    THIS^^^
    A cultural constant throughout history. Adults and younger humans are compelled to tell others that [ insert just about anything here ] is to be feared, even if they have no real knowledge of that “thing”. Especially if they lack knowledge.

    It’s a verbal virus that spreads from person to person and generation to generation, often with no justification or verifiable evidence. Even the well-educated and logical can be easily affected, especially those steeped in subjectivity and lacking some, or all, objectivity.

    Rational thought and objective analysis are becoming less and less important in our feelings-focused world of instant gratification.

    Gabe, you are absolutely correct, fear is trained and educated into the majority.
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    I have watched two episodes of Ed Stanford`s new series, First Man Out. Where he challenges Special Forces Soldiers from around the world to a race in an extreme environment.

    What has stood out for me yet again about this show and similar shows like Dual Survival is how these soldiers deal with an obstacle mentally.

    Once they have reacted quite naturally to a setback by shouting out in frustration for example it is almost as if their body does an instinctive reset, physically getting their body moving to improve the situation. For example getting their head on a swivel scanning their environment, looking for a better location or resources.

    And once the discover either of those their legs seem to move by their own volition even before a conscious decision has being reached in their minds. Moving them in the right direction or in choosing the correct course of action.

    And only then articulating these steps into clear thoughts-What is necessary to reach this new objective/the next couple of steps that needs to be taken to improve their position-Their thoughts seeming to catch up to their actions. A where the body goes the mind will follow/Action taken instead.

    It seems to me that the military spends as much time training these soldiers, especially their Special Forces,to make decisions based on their training and experiences alone. As much as they do on their fighting skills. Until both these actions becomes totally instinctive. And the soldier trusts in his ability to make the right decision under pressure every time as much as he does is his ability to hit what he aims at every time he picks up his rifle.

    NOTE Even if they make the wrong choice they are able to change gear mid-stride, seeing it only as another obstacle/momentary setback to overcome, and once again already moving towards the new objective. Not wasting time and energy over thinking everything.

    Unlike the methods that people like Dr. Phil uses for example becoming aware of your internal dialog and then changing the words you use so you can reach your goals. eg. Having to make the conscious decision to sit down at a certain time of the day to write. Forming a habit that will sometimes be easy to maintain-Hardly able to wait to sit down and write. And at other times finding it a bit harder, having to motivate yourself to sit down and write. But in both cases needing to make a decision first, before action can be taken-Where the mind goes the body will follow/Action taken.

    We need to use the Mind Dojo in the opposite way. Instead using it like a soldier for training. Running the Flowchart and using the other metal exercises countless of times to train us to make the right decisions over and over again.

    Until we are able to trust ourselves to be able to make the right decision under pressure and we can act without fear or hesitation when the time comes for us to make the decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nichols View Post
    Fear is a reaction, mostly a trained response. The only fear a person is born with is the fear of high places (being dropped) and the fear of loud noises. the rest are learned behaviors based on life experience and education (how did your parents/friends/teachers). There is a reason that people with literally nothing to lose have no fear, you can't lose something you're already resigned to not having.
    When I was very young, I had recurrent nightmares of falling from very high places. I went parachuting for the first time when I was 23, and I have never had those nightmares again.

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    Fear is a normal human reaction. We fear becouse we care about losing something. If we could have no attachament we ll have no fear.
    Reagarding fear in a gunfight or wose in knife fight, where the distance is reduced and will be contact distance is more than fear. It is about the other natural human behaviour.... the resistance to kill another human with face and expresion...even if him do the best to kill you.
    So we as law abitizen citizen have some brakes who block our action: fear and resistantce to kill, lack of skills and mindset to do it.
    Psyhopaths have no such of problems and do what they want to do without ezitation, guilt or remorse.
    Warrior, Suregeons, Stok Players and other such cathegories have not fear at all on their working time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandru View Post
    Fear is a normal human reaction. We fear becouse we care about losing something. If we could have no attachament we ll have no fear.
    Reagarding fear in a gunfight or wose in knife fight, where the distance is reduced and will be contact distance is more than fear. It is about the other natural human behaviour.... the resistance to kill another human with face and expresion...even if him do the best to kill you.
    So we as law abitizen citizen have some brakes who block our action: fear and resistantce to kill, lack of skills and mindset to do it.
    Psyhopaths have no such of problems and do what they want to do without ezitation, guilt or remorse.
    Warrior, Suregeons, Stok Players and other such cathegories have not fear at all on their working time.
    I think you are quoting Grossman, whose first book - On Killing - I disagree with. Or maybe I too am a psychopath. The aversion to killing another human is a learned thing, and not at all an unnatural act. Read history and you will see. Dave is wrong on this and I have told him as much in person. His later works have a far different tone. Regardless, all those things are what the proper training, mental perspective, and self image will fix.
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    Well I had some shit happen I will tell in a few days (making sure they don’t file), no gun involved but putting someone in his proper place and making him accountable for his actions.... For me I agree Gabe, I think violence is just easier for some.... If everyone was raised in an environment where it was excepted, they would either watch and relish in it or become involved. Just like life nowadays there is a job for everyone....
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    I also want to point out, you see regular everyday people killing over love or finances. Put any man or woman with their back to a wall and see what happens. It’s human nature. Humans are the most dangerous, most blood thirsty species on the planet. If you don’t agree, you need to look at history also around the world current events...
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    I had a strong reaction to Grossman's work as well. There's some good material in the book but the whole aversion to violence thing (and the implication that those with no aversion have something wrong with them) I took exception to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Yamamoto View Post
    I had a strong reaction to Grossman's work as well. There's some good material in the book but the whole aversion to violence thing (and the implication that those with no aversion have something wrong with them) I took exception to.
    Agreed.

    There are three thoughts that cross my mind reading Grossman.

    First, from a psychological point of view, particlularly since the beginning of the 1990s, is that he has a prejudice to towards "man is social animal; therefore, violence in abhorant". One wonders how much of On Killing is an expression of that view.

    Second, SLA Marshall is quoted by Grossman and others. Yet, I have to wonder; a, how accurate are the post events statistics; b, was a reason for not shooting given; and c, how much fear prevented soldiers adopting a firing position? For example, "If I can see him, he can see me and kill me so I'll let 'Joe' handle it."

    Third, I distinctly remember my recruit weapons training circa 1967. Yes, we used sillouhette targets. While I initially expected bullseye targets like the Marines were using, I instantly thought, 'Hey, I'm in the Army to fight and kill, so why not." The point is, I knew before I signed up, that my job meant killing people who were trying to kill me and my buddies. Problem solved. I didn't need, as Grossman suggests, to be de-sensitived to the act of killing.

    That said, what he says in the early chapters about violent computer games and pre-teens and teens may have merit given that our society has in many ways moved away from Judeo-Christian teaching, become ego-centric and relativist, and has de-valued human life. Given that recent research states that the adolescent human brain acts mostly on impulse rather than rational thought. Putting all that together in combination, a teen acting on impulse, a perception that he/she has been wronged, a belief that "I am right; everybody else is wrong", and you may have a potential school shooter. That at least is one theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.D.;1948870
    That said, what he says in the early chapters about violent computer games and pre-teens and teens may have merit given that our society has in many ways moved away from Judeo-Christian teaching, become ego-centric and relativist, and has de-valued human life. Given that recent research states that the adolescent human brain acts mostly on impulse rather than rational thought. Putting all that together in combination, a teen acting on impulse, a perception that he/she has been wronged, a belief that "I am right; everybody else is wrong", and you [I
    may[/I] have a potential school shooter. That at least is one theory.
    Blaming video games is lazy bullshit. Its the same kind of stupidity that people used to censor Elvis dancing on TV. Its the same stuff that Tipper Gore used to blame things on music back before Al Gore invented the internet. The same stuff people blame violent movies for... All of human history is filled with horrible things that you can't blame on video games or other media. I have been playing violent video games for over 30 years and the kind of people that decide to do bad things to good people had a few screws loose to begin with.
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