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  1. #1
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    Default Testosterone question

    I have noticed many people saying they are using testosterone wether it be a TRT style or using for performance only I’m not sure. I am 33 and on paper have “low t”. I used to use a few things back when I was in my early 20’s and loved it. I then put on a lot of fat because I got off and completely quit working out. In the last couple of years I jumped on keto wagon, lost almost 100 lbs and feel incredible again. I got on TRT about two years ago and my blood pressure went through the roof. Does anyone else suffer with this? If so, how do you battle it? Now that I’m about 20lbs from end goal weight, I’m wanting that edge and like any other man, wanting to harden up a little more than “naturally” attainable in a decently short time. Thanks in advance for any help. FYI, I never took blockers or AI. My estrogen levels were always low.


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    There must be something else going on. Normal TRT should lower BP if anything, unless you are on a mega dose. When I started out I did the pellet and the issue is that it is impossible to measure and you end up with 1800 T at some point. That could do it, but with IM or SubC injections, where you will not have any spikes, you should not have those issues. Avoid the pellets...they sound convenient but are uncontrollable. Injections are far better. I will be publishing an update on studies soon. Oh, and if your doc isn't responsive or wants to follow a cookie cutter approach with you, find a new doc.
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    Well I was injecting cypionate about 150mg a week. Before I got on I had perfect BP. After about 4 months it spiked to 142/95. Felt like I was about to die. I got nervous and stupidly got off of it with ZERO HCG or anything and crashed for about 2 months. Never again. Anyways, after 6 months it got right back down. Checked it this morning and it was 120/66. I read on T-nation it could be the carrier oil? A lot of people get bad BP with cotton oil and had significant improvements with grape seed oil as a carrier. I may have not been drinking enough water or doing enough cardio. That’s going to happen this time and hopefully help.


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    I'm in my mid thirties, and my testosterone had fallen to low levels as well. I had a vericoseal on one of my testicals that was preventing them from making testosterone, and the problem didn't manifest until about this age it's a common problem amongst men too... something like 1 in 15 men. It was an outpatient surgury and a few months later my T was almost back to 18 or 19 year old levels.

    Point is, go see a fertility specialist and have them look at your nuts. It might be a relatively simple fix.
    Isaiah 54:17

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    I’m not saying you don’t need it at 33, but are you doing the things outside of Pharma to help yourself? Lower carbs, lower booze, up your fat intake, sleep better, cruciferous veggies, avoid plastic in diet. Are you doing those things? I only ask because trimming the excess body fat will help some to begin with. I am ten years older than you and a lifetime natty. I will take the plunge at some point but I still wake up saluting and have 10% body fat.

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    A modern industrialized nation male will at some point come to the fork in the life road.

    One side leads to the "graceful aging" most docs talk about...after all, who the hell needs a hard-on and muscles after 60 right? Time is better spent reading, praying and sleeping, right?

    The other side - facilitated by the evils of Pharma, leads to a muscular, virile, and far more active "old age".

    It all depends what you want. I am not so fixated on the "all natural route", and shake my head at the fear of pharma. The research is available on just about everything today so we need not take anyone's word for it. If I can prevent a catching TB, or the Plague with a vaccine, who am I going to listen to...the "just eat right and you won't get it" guys, or the well vetted doc who took the vaccine himself. Me...I don't want TB and will take the risk.

    Same with T. As I near my sixth decade, I have no desire to "age gracefully". If that means I give up a few years of life (which is not a given) in order to live them as a fit and muscular terror, I am cool with that.

    Quality over Longevity. Research it yourself. No reason not to today.
    Gabriel Suarez

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    One side leads to the "graceful aging" most docs talk about...after all, who the hell needs a hard-on and muscles after 60 right? Time is better spent reading, praying and sleeping, right?
    Hell with that, I'm coming up on 61 and have absolutely NO plans on giving up hard-ons and muscle! It's quality for me!

    There's plenty of time for reading and praying 25-30 years from now..

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    Well the waking up without “standing at attention” was the first thing I’ve noticed lately. Not fun when your having those issues. To answer the questions of “have I tried other things first” yes I have. I was sitting at 340 pounds a few years ago. Now I am sitting at 240. 100lbs lost. I did this by sticking with keto and powerlifting like a maniac. Lots of the “big 3” on lifts and a little cardio. As I get closer to my end goal of 6’-2” and 220 of body weight, I’m having to add some more cardio. I still lift heavy. Not as heavy as my goals I reached but I’m going for a little more stamina and endurance with a still moderately heavy weight. No sugars. No junk food. Good veggies. This all just hit me about 2 months ago. Went from zero noticeable issues to having..........issues. At 33 it honestly concerns me and I am assuming low t but am obviously going to do labs before I start but I’m definitely starting.


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    I can connect you with my local doc. He is the best I have found, but he is in AZ. Do your homework and research. Write down what it might be. Research. All info is available to you today.
    Gabriel Suarez

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    My step dad has that issue. He literally has to get flabotomies every two weeks because it causes him to create too much blood.

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