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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlinPhoenix View Post
    Yes, I was running Eley Tenex Match ammo (I had though it subsonic) from my 28" barrel. Crazy accurate.

    https://www.eleyammunition.com/eley-tenex-22lr/

    "The iconic flat nose projectile of ELEY tenex is one of many innovations pioneered by ELEY engineers. As it cuts through the air its revolutionary design pulls the centre of pressure forwards, aerodynamically stabilizing the projectile and increasing accuracy at the target.Precise manufacturing techniques form cartridge cases of uniform length from a tightly controlled brass alloy. This ensures each propellant charge burns in a controlled volume, delivering consistent energy to each projectile."
    From what I understand, even in a 28 inch barrel it is subsonic. .22s are said not to gain velocity past a certain length of barrel that is less than 28 inches and I congratulate you on the shooting skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasher View Post
    I believe Gabe once referred to this as “ballistic masturbation” and I honestly have to agree with him.
    Indeed.

    A crazy thing happens when you get out on the range and actually do some shooting. You find out its not that big of a deal and that the shooter matters more; Assuming the gun isn't garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkface View Post
    Indeed.

    A crazy thing happens when you get out on the range and actually do some shooting. You find out its not that big of a deal and that the shooter matters more; Assuming the gun isn't garbage.

    I agree with you about actually shooting and learned that a long time, but that is not what the discussion was about.

    I am actually here for tactics that SI excels at in my humble opinion. For nuisances in equipment vs supreme accuracy such is not SO important in real life.
    Last edited by barnetmill; 09-15-2020 at 02:59 PM. Reason: Added So
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    It’s hard to beat “shot placement” in importance regardless of caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barnetmill View Post
    I agree with you about actually shooting and learned that a long time, but that is not what the discussion was about.

    I am actually here for tactics that SI excels at in my humble opinion. For nuisances in equipment vs supreme accuracy such is not SO important in real life.
    Many 10/22 'match' barrels will shoot well (postage stamp at 100 yards); once you have the equipment nailed down, including the optics that you think best for your task, figure out
    your ammo. Field skills are harder to learn than shooting skills (according to the Hathcock crew at the Scout-Sniper course I attended in Quantico in 1980). Many .mil manuals are
    now available for study for background before going to the 'training area' to master those skills on the ground.

    The Forum is a wealth of information for this topic from Sua and others for the field skills people seek. Hard to engage in 'tactics' if the skills to deploy those tactics are unknown.

    Many people here certainly know more than I do but I strive to learn more every day.
    Last edited by KarlinPhoenix; 09-15-2020 at 07:00 PM. Reason: WT is a wealth of information
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlinPhoenix View Post
    Many 10/22 'match' barrels will shoot well (postage stamp at 100 yards); once you have the equipment nailed down, including the optics that you think best for your task, figure out
    your ammo. Field skills are harder to learn than shooting skills (according to the Hathcock crew at the Scout-Sniper course I attended in Quantico in 1980). Many .mil manuals are
    now available for study for background before going to the 'training area' to master those skills on the ground.

    The Forum is a wealth of information for this topic from Sua and others for the field skills people seek. Hard to engage in 'tactics' if the skills to deploy those tactics are unknown.

    Many people here certainly know more than I do but I strive to learn more every day.

    I wonder besides KarlinP, just how many here are military trained snipers. It is good when people with such expertise are willing to contribute. As I understand the difference between a typical LEO sniper and what it takes to be a military sniper are like night and day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barnetmill View Post
    I wonder besides KarlinP, just how many here are military trained snipers. It is good when people with such expertise are willing to contribute. As I understand the difference between a typical LEO sniper and what it takes to be a military sniper are like night and day.
    depending on the agency, yep. However .mil snipers that decide to leave .mil tend to go contractor or find a .LE wor where they are fast tracked to marksman roles within .LE . Not all mind you, but enough that most larger agencies have a depth of knowledge.

    Now .LE sniper training as a school is nowhere nearly as intensive on the stalk/hide area, but just as intensive on the accuracy/dope side.

    I should add that my role/training is NOT as precision marksman, Im a CQB guy, but know and have had discussions with several PM's in the .LE and .mil world
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    Quote Originally Posted by barnetmill View Post
    I wonder besides KarlinP, just how many here are military trained snipers. It is good when people with such expertise are willing to contribute. As I understand the difference between a typical LEO sniper and what it takes to be a military sniper are like night and day.

    The mission is like night and day. But don't think its easy to be a "typical LEO sniper" however. A sampling

    1. Selection process for LE (usually a year long affair)
    2. Graduation from the academy (6 months)
    3. Patrol School (often OJT) and a year long probationary period
    4. Two to three years patrol before any special assignment like SWAT
    5. Selection process for SWAT
    6. SWAT school
    7. Serving on the team as part of the perimeter element
    8. Serving as entry element
    9. Selection for sniper
    10. Sniper school (usually FBI or some other Federal Agency)

    So its not as easy to get there, and although the Mil position has greater degree of job variance and application...police snipers are not the slouches you see on TV
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    The mission is like night and day. But don't think its easy to be a "typical LEO sniper" however. A sampling

    1. Selection process for LE (usually a year long affair)
    2. Graduation from the academy (6 months)
    3. Patrol School (often OJT) and a year long probationary period
    4. Two to three years patrol before any special assignment like SWAT
    5. Selection process for SWAT
    6. SWAT school
    7. Serving on the team as part of the perimeter element
    8. Serving as entry element
    9. Selection for sniper
    10. Sniper school (usually FBI or some other Federal Agency)

    So its not as easy to get there, and although the Mil position has greater degree of job variance and application...police snipers are not the slouches you see on TV
    Thank you for elaborating the awesomeness of the LEO snipers. Very excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    The mission is like night and day. But don't think its easy to be a "typical LEO sniper" however. A sampling

    1. Selection process for LE (usually a year long affair)
    2. Graduation from the academy (6 months)
    3. Patrol School (often OJT) and a year long probationary period
    4. Two to three years patrol before any special assignment like SWAT
    5. Selection process for SWAT
    6. SWAT school
    7. Serving on the team as part of the perimeter element
    8. Serving as entry element
    9. Selection for sniper
    10. Sniper school (usually FBI or some other Federal Agency)

    So its not as easy to get there, and although the Mil position has greater degree of job variance and application...police snipers are not the slouches you see on TV
    Almost exactly my route, other than 9 and 10 were reversed. I did sniper duties for a time here and there, but predominantly stayed on entry by choice.
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