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    Gabes analogy of the Katana makes sense and I think it puts this topic on point. I think it also asks the question about which "niche" weapon to choose when you have no tactical intel? For most of us that would be a RMRd Glock, so in effect our 21st century Katana; but doesn't that also make it a General Purpose tool too? Its perfect where it fits and "works" in other places.

    I totally agree there is no "all around" weapon and likewise very special weapons work very well in their niche (think Seecamp or Sniper rifle). So my question again is what do you choose when you don't have any special intel? If its the RMRd Glock does that make it a niche or GP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDELWEISS View Post
    Gabes analogy of the Katana makes sense and I think it puts this topic on point. I think it also asks the question about which "niche" weapon to choose when you have no tactical intel? For most of us that would be a RMRd Glock, so in effect our 21st century Katana; but doesn't that also make it a General Purpose tool too? Its perfect where it fits and "works" in other places.

    No. Some weapons may have greater degree of application, but that doesn't make them General Purpose. The danger that develops...and we have seen it here many times is the cheap-out mind set.

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    Handguns aren't general purpose. Handguns are convenient to carry.
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    I think this fits into the envelope/Role categories, but even inside the pistol world there are niches. I wouldn't use a .32 to fight off a bear anymore than I'd carry a 454 casull revolver in deep concealment NPE circumstances.

    I think we all agree that the pistol is the most likely tool that we'll have on us and that it will be some variation of an SI RDS pistol. This fits in the Envelope of most likely engagements and convenience of carry for the Role of self defense/immediate action. The same goes for blades, I carry a folder for daily duties, a fixed blade for fighting, and sometimes a very small fixed blade as a hide away.

    This is really easy to figure out when you use the categories of Envelope, Niche, and Role. I was broad in my examples because it applies to everyone, LEO, Mil, PSC, Urban, and Rural. As you saw in Gabe's Thanksgiving thread and some of his other hiking pics he chose a something more than just the pistol based on the likelihood of encounter. He defined the role for the weapon, decided the envelope he wanted to work inside, then picked the niche weapon that worked best for those decisions.
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    I think we're focusing way too much on just weapon systems. Think about your foot wear. I have dress shoes, running shoes, wrestling shoes for lifting, hiking boots, desert boots, jungle boots, insulated boots, cowboy boots (work), cowboy boots (dress), casual loafers, and casual zipper boots. Each has their purpose and function well in that purposes but I'm not wearing my Allen Edmonds hiking or my desert boots with a suit.

    Or Holsters, I have NPE, AIWB, IWB strong side, OWB strong side friction retention (with and without light), OWB strong side latch retention, OWB strong side flap retention, drop/offset hood retention with light, thigh ride hood retention with light, Dress leather friction retention, and dress leather latch retention. All have their place, their role, their envelope, and their niche.

    My intended activities for the day drive my decision making process on what I'm wearing, carrying, or putting in a bag to take with me.
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    Identifying a niche and envelope:

    Let's use the shoe example again. What makes a "Dress Shoe" or even more specific black dress shoe?

    leather
    black
    highly polished
    hard sole

    Now let's look at a combat boot:

    Leather - check
    black - check
    highly polished - check
    hard soled - check

    So in the scope of envelope, combat boots are the same as dress shoes, but the niche doesn't line up. Combat boots would look as stupid in a suit as dress shoes would in a set of BDUs. They're out of place even in the same envelope, the niche doesn't match which in turn should lead you to deciding the role you expect them to fill. Now what if you change the scope of the role to a dress uniform? Either could be appropriate given the circumstances.
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    Wait... you need to use some analytical thinking? Can't I just buy more gear to avoid it? Preferably one thing that will cover it all and doesn't cost too much...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    Some weapons may have greater degree of application, but that doesn't make them General Purpose. The danger that develops...and we have seen it here many times is the cheap-out mind set.

    "If you could only have one gun..." This is where Batman comes up and slaps the taste right out of Robin's mouth..."NO".
    I have never been a "if you could only have one gun guy", but I will admit to sometimes thinking in terms of a "general purpose rifle". But I like Gabe's description here - "some weapons have a greater degree of application". Practically, I have already been acting in accord with this principle, but this thread has certainly clarified my thinking and articulation of it. Excellent!


    I also very much appreciate Greg's description of role, envelope and niche. To rephrase his words:

    Define the role for the weapon, decide the envelope you want to work inside, then pick the niche weapon that works best for those circumstances.



    I always have a pistol. Which pistol I carry and how I carry it is determined primarily by my concealment needs. (I am getting a lot of use out of the SI Jawbone 19 by the way.)

    If circumstances allow I may even carry two pistols. (And this is a little silly but Gabe's analogy of the katana now makes me think of the Dai/Sho - the pair of swords, long and short, that many samurai would carry.)

    Those weapons are for specific purposes, designed for a specific role and they can cover a certain envelope. How wide that envelope is can be determined by the capability of the fighter and the performance of the pistol. "Skill and equipment in accord".


    Back to the rifle...

    I have a bolt action 308. It's light, has a folding stock, is more accurate than I am. I set it up to cover a very specific role. It's capable of longer range than anything else I own, but I consider it to fit in a relatively small envelope by intent. Of course it can be pressed into other roles but is not ideal outside my defined role.

    I have an SI Super Recce. It covers essentially the same role as the bolt gun. I know it's capable of hits at 1,000 yards, though even if circumstances allowed I might not press it that far...so I'd say its effective range is smaller than the bolt gun, but nonetheless it covers a bigger envelope...it has a greater degree of application. This is probably the gun I'd take if I knew my problem required the greatest degree of accuracy.

    I have a few different assault rifles. Some have dots, some have low power scopes. Each has a greater or lesser degree of application, determined by optic, length of the rifle, and sometimes caliber. Some are intended to be small, light and quiet. Some will reach out a little further than others, some will hit a little harder. Any of them can be counted on to do their job, as long as I do mine.

    I have put a lot of thought into the job I expect each of my weapons to perform. And after thinking about this thread I will put some more thought into "role, envelope and niche".


    But for me the bottom line remains the same. Be capable - have the fitness, skill and abilities to win with anything at hand. Be ready - make sure your weapon is maintained, zeroed and ready to be put into service. And have it handy for when you need it! For practical purposes, that means 99.99% of the time it's the pistol you wear...but it applies just as much to long guns if you expect them to have an actual job.

    And none of that means anything if you're not willing. Keep your mind right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Yamamoto View Post

    Those weapons are for specific purposes, designed for a specific role and they can cover a certain envelope. How wide that envelope is can be determined by the capability of the fighter and the performance of the pistol. "Skill and equipment in accord".

    But for me the bottom line remains the same. Be capable - have the fitness, skill and abilities to win with anything at hand. Be ready - make sure your weapon is maintained, zeroed and ready to be put into service. And have it handy for when you need it! For practical purposes, that means 99.99% of the time it's the pistol you wear...but it applies just as much to long guns if you expect them to have an actual job.

    And none of that means anything if you're not willing. Keep your mind right.
    This x100. The envelope isn't only determined by the actual dynamics of weapon and/or ammunition choice but takes into account your skill set. Just because you have a Barrett doesn't mean you have the skill set to maximize the weapon's envelope. If you can't make hits at 500 with it then it doesn't matter that it can reach over a mile, or if you don't physically have the strength to hump it to it's firing point then it's effective envelope is it's case.
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