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  1. #51
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    There is another scenario for full 30's and that is when the bad guys are in vehicles or other barriers.
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    I have a .300 that is now my General Purpose (or averaged duty use) go to rifle. Shoots supers/ subs and just plain works (I thought i posted a pic of it but I cant find it beyond the one with the dog ) . From there we go a 9mm based niche system. While it hasnt dropped folks in the operational sense, it does drop pigs and deer mighty quick (if you do your job) and loses little velocity with the 8.5 barrel.

    With the advent of now collapsible arm braces , I would have just done it as a pistol instead of the full SBR build

    It was also using the same scout w remote setup that Gabes pistol is, I do run it perm suppressed with a direct thread can GMT300
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    I find the 8.5 to 9 inch 300 as the ultimate compact rifle. Tons better, more accurate and easier to run than ANY short AK, and will kill anything in my AO...silently.

    It is what I generally carry in the back country for lions, bears, feral bulls and doomsday breaking-bad types that may cross my path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    I find the 8.5 to 9 inch 300 as the ultimate compact rifle. Tons better, more accurate and easier to run than ANY short AK, and will kill anything in my AO...silently.

    It is what I generally carry in the back country for lions, bears, feral bulls and doomsday breaking-bad types that may cross my path.

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    No nay saying, but interested.
    What kind of velocities does a 9 inch barreled 300 blackout give say with a 125 grain bullet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barnetmill View Post
    No nay saying, but interested.
    What kind of velocities does a 9 inch barreled 300 blackout give say with a 125 grain bullet.
    Around 2100 fps depending on the load. 110 is around 2300. .300 blk only loses about 200 fps from a 16" barrel to an 8" barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkface View Post
    Around 2100 fps depending on the load. 110 is around 2300. .300 blk only loses about 200 fps from a 16" barrel to an 8" barrel.
    That matches my results as well.

    One of those 125's (a Nosler Ballistic Tip) from my 9" 300 pistol accounted for my son's first deer a couple weeks ago. It was all the gun needed for that animal; one shot and down. The damage was every bit as good as I've seen from 30/30 and others in that class.

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    I have been interested in the 300 blackout in the pistol format with arm brace w/o the silencer. Those velocities since they are apparently measured from individual guns are likely more realistic than what what one would see claimed by manufacturers.
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    I likely need to search here and maybe on the internet for the correct upper and buffer tube components for the 300 bkout pistol set up.
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    on buffer tube,

    Lots of folks swear by the SB3 adjustable brace for theirs.

    I am using a KAK shockwave 2.0 (Gabe was looking into testing/carrying them in the shop as well) on my ultralight 9mm AR with good results as well (NOT as light as the Glock PDW but more robust, a little more hand room on the rail, and I can still muzzle strike with it)
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    Update, I finally came to my conclusion. Getting into the semi-auto .308 game has been something I've been thinking on and considering for literally years. I just couldn't find my personal justification to drop the cash on something I wanted vs. something I had a use for, but after a lot of consideration and utilizing my Role/Niche/Envelope model I finally made the decision.

    So the Role for this platform I envisioned was something between my 5.56 RECCE, and my long range bolt gun, but I wasn't in search of a .308 sniper platform. I was more looking to a GPR/DMR, basically a battle rifle that could be pressed into the DMR role with a cartridge that could push past the 7-800m limit of my 18" RECCE 5.56.

    I looked at every semi-auto .30 cal platform for base accuracy/reliability, available upgrades, available after market parts, and ease of use. As I researched and reviewed I kept coming back to an 18" barrel with two platforms fighting for dominance, the M1A scout squad and the AR10. As I kept looking at the AR10 I found my mind swinging past my intended Role/Niche and into a semi-auto sniper system and my design ideas were split between an RDS battle rifle and variable optic with a bipod and precision stock.

    Here's where I came to my conclusion. I decided I wanted a clean, basic system that is easy to handle, simple, and functional. Additionally as this is really a want and not a need, not something I will teach on often and use even less I landed on the M1A Scout Squad with factory stock and only a mild upgrade to the chassis as I don't like the standard optic mount options. I decided to forego all the chassis replacements meant to modernize the platform as they all were either designed to turn the platform into a sniper system or added too much weight and too many rails, both of which is a non-starter for my intended Role/Niche for this platform. Pics to follow once all upgrades have been added, followed by a range report.
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