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  1. #21
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    Yawn.....
    Dog and Pony Show.
    Saw the same thing when the M9 came out. Bring the press, razzle dazzle them with BS. Kind of like listening to a time share presentation.

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    It's like one of those AI bots was force fed 10 years of Combat Handguns then ordered to write an article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacti Rat View Post
    Yawn.....
    Dog and Pony Show.
    Saw the same thing when the M9 came out. Bring the press, razzle dazzle them with BS. Kind of like listening to a time share presentation.
    It could be argued that the M9 was a huge leap forward in technology from the .38 special revolvers and 1911s of the time. The same can't be said about the M17 over the M9 other than it's polymer.
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    And my M9 doesn't go off when you drop it.

    Don't ask.
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  5. #25
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    Someone let the PAO write this without supervision. The M17 is an advance on the M9, but we're not talking a quantum jump here. It's lighter, yes. Easier to switch sights on. I really like what SIG did with the stippling of the grips (polymer-framed guns are usually slick as snot, a bad thing). And (probably most important), you can mount an RDS on the thing...although I'm not confident the Army will get the right RDS or mount it correctly. Mounting to an adapter plate is a second-class solution.

    Owning both several Glocks and a P320, my biggest comment is that the triggers on ALL the polymer-framed guns suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nichols View Post
    It could be argued that the M9 was a huge leap forward in technology from the .38 special revolvers and 1911s of the time. The same can't be said about the M17 over the M9 other than it's polymer.
    What I'm saying is that if the Army decided to arm the troops with a 2x4 with a rusty nail in it, they'd run the same dog and pony shows to sell it to the troops
    Last edited by Cacti Rat; 11-28-2018 at 09:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air Pirate View Post
    I hate reading mainstream news articles about anything, let alone firearms (or aviation). Journalistic ignorance of those subjects is rivaled only by that of the English language and grammar.
    See also "Gell-Mann amnesia effect".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

    Also:
    https://calhounpress.net/blogs/blog/...amnesia-effect

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    once again, somebody who has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what they are writing about interviews some people who have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what they are talking about, and the result is this debacle of journalism . . . .
    "We should always try to do the right thing and the moral thing and the legal thing, but first we should do the SMART thing."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff22 View Post
    once again, somebody who has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what they are writing about interviews some people who have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what they are talking about, and the result is this debacle of journalism . . . .
    Written for people who (mostly) don't know what they're reading, so it kinda works out.
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