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    Default RELOADING THE SHOTGUN IN A GUNFIGHT - PART 1

    RELOADING THE SHOTGUN IN A GUNFIGHT - PART 1

    Monday, February 12, 2018

    When we turn to the use of the shotgun in a combative, gunfighting application, we have to deal with the same issues. And I understand those issues well as I always felt better with more ammunition. But the issue we see with the shotgun which we do not see with other weapon platforms is the desire to keep that ammunition on the weapon itself. I don't dislike the idea of having some ammunition on the shotgun, but not if it compromises its handiness and utility.

    A shotgun is not a high volume of fire weapon. It is not intended to take part in an infantry maneuver under fire, nor to compete with a drum-fed SAW. The shotgun finds its utility in the same distance intervals the pistol does. It is a close and fast deployment weapon, and each press of the trigger has potentially the same effect as half a magazine of pistol ammo fired en mass. Think about this for a moment. Eight rounds of pistol ammo has about the same effect on a human torso as one round of fighting buckshot. The greatest amount of damage in the shortest time frame is what the shotgun does best. The shotgun's ammunition allows for a very high speed deployment on targets, partial targets, and at times when a weapon that fires a single projectile, such as a pistol or a rifle, would not allow the user to get hits in the time frames presented.

    In short, shotguns are faster, and create greater tissue destruction than pistols or rifles. Doing anything to reduce those advantages is ill-advised. One of those mistakes is making the weapon overweight by adding excessive ammunition onto the weapon itself. For reference, the highest round count I ever fired in a gunfight. when armed with a shotgun, was a whopping three rounds. I am aware of one man who fired six before the event was concluded. So it is not a matter of ammunition capacity, but of deployment speed.

    A heavy weapon is slower than a light weapon. We don't add a couple of MOLLE shingles to the stocks of our M4s do we? Of course not as that would unbalance the rifles and make then heavier than optimal. Keep your shotguns on the lighter side.

    That is not to say we do not want extra ammunition on hand, but it is a simple matter to select a carry method that keeps the light and fast doctrine in mind. For the professional proactive use, or even the "grab and go" scenario in the middle of the night, having a small bag slung over the muzzle of the weapon is very easy to set up. When the shotgun is grabbed, the bag is right there, ready to be slipped over the shoulder. And while some might laugh at the idea, a bandoleer of buck shot can be slung over the shoulder as well and be quite fast, not to mention voluminous, in the supply of ammo.

    As well, the present system of loading during the fight is time proven, battle proven and serves better than any other system, including the magazine fed concept most recently reintroduced by Remington and Mossberg. That system is to load single rounds into the tube at every opportunity during the fight. The old school, "Shoot One Load One". And that done with the muzzle pointed toward the danger area and the eyes downrange (not on the enlarged loading port).

    I am glad the shotgun is making a come back. It is a great and devastating weapon that has always been the top choice when something needs to be totally destroyed immediately.

    Gabriel Suarez

    Turning Lambs into Lions Since 1995

    Suarez International USA Headquarters

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    Taking another look for those who may have over looked it
    Gabriel Suarez

    Turning Lambs into Lions Since 1995

    Suarez International USA Headquarters

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    I've had many people laugh at my preference for a satchel bag for extra SG ammo over the years. I seldom ever mention it any more as it doesn't fit the popular vision of tacticool.

    I don't use a heavy pouch full, just a dozen or so extras in a claymore bag. Right there with the SG, easily slung on the go. I've drilled with this set-up for years now for my home and property protection. I think a good fast handling shotgun still makes an excellent tool for the counterattack.

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    I use a nylon M60 bandolier for extra shotgun shells. It holds a 25 round box of OO Buck and a 5 rd box of slugs quite well for a grab and go solution. Not very tacticool either but a good solution when I worked for an agency that did not allow one to modify the company shotgun.

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    A maxpedition rolly polly still sits on my gunbelt behind the radio. You can open it up to stuff the crap you find while searching a suspect (so the wind doesnt blow it off the car, or get lost in all the other crap in a place during a search warrant) and you can drop the two 25 rd boxes of buckshot you keep in the doorpanel in it if you are going to go blast multiple doors at a location (most schools are now layered security) or are assigned ballistic/backup breaching duty on a search warrant. You can drop a few extra mags in it if you are in the sticks helping with a multiple drug bailout, or a handful of extra tourniquets if you arrived late to the party and are on rescue detail where you gotta stop em bleeding and extract them to higher level care.

    When not in use it rolls up and isnt in your way but is always there when you need it.

    When using operationally, no REAL difference vs a rifle or pistol in that you load what you can during lulls in the situation albeit in singles vs mags like Gabe said . Though I would say that you need to be up to speed on long arm to pistol transition.

    While the shotgun is devastating, I have had to put 4 rounds of a 5 shot 870 into an attack dog on the move before it finally realized it was dead, leaving me with one more chance to socialize before I went empty. knowing I might have to transition was large in my mind.
    Last edited by coastalcop; 03-07-2019 at 05:20 AM.
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