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    DISTANCE AND TIMING

    Tuesday, October 16, 2018



    The students at the recent Force On Force class will recall a vociferous student making an issue about the importance of controlling distance, and our response that distance was not something you could control in our study.


    Anecdote Number 1:
    The call was of suspicious circumstances…screaming and glass breaking at a house. On arrival, everything was dark and no answer when we knocked on the door. I moved toward the back of the house and moved quietly as possible as I scanned and tasted the air. There was something here…I didn’t know what, but I could sense it. As I moved toward the garage, my back up continued to knock on the front door. I could hear them announcing “Police Department…open the door”. I soft checked the garage door, and it opened. Suspect at three feet. As much as it would have been great to be thirty feet away, there was no way I could increase my distance…but I could change my angle. Problem solved…one single shot to the face.


    Anecdote Number 2:
    Someone was using the laundry at an apartment building…someone that didn’t live there. A bullshit call about well, bullshit. I was telling the dispatchers the name of the man I was talking with, as well as his date of birth. “10-1 - 3 Lincoln 7 – 10-2 Adam - 918“. The dispatcher was telling me in code that the man in front of me was wanted and armed and a dangerous dude…a wanted parolee at large.


    I tried to be poker-faced, but he sensed something and made a reach for my holstered weapon. Distance – four feet. I suppose some might suggest running away to increase distance, but guys like that never allow their asses to leave their seats. Life happens at whatever distance life chooses to happen and you, my dear student have no control over it. The bad guy? He went down hard with a broken leg.



    Martial students have a misunderstanding of distance interval because they train at artificial distances. It shows up before the drill even begins, because the combatants in a sport agree to a starting distance, then their focus becomes one of moving in and out of distance to gain an advantage. So managing and overcoming distance is always a factor in combat sports, but distance is already decided in a fight where you do not have the initiative.


    This is an important distinction. You either have the initiative or you do not. Its not a sparring bout, it is a street fight where one party decides to ambush the other. Nothing consensual about it. There is no opportunity to change the distance. If you have that opportunity, you also have the initiative. In fact, attempts to increase distance of ten play directly into the adversary’s line of attack. No, the solution in events where you lack the initiative is in moving to the flank…to the angles.


    The two concepts are – Distance and Timing. In Karate they are called Maai, and Hyoshi. But in a real street fight and not a competitive event, the distance is determined by the adversary as well as your perception of him. If you realize the attack is coming at thirty feet, you may have options not available to you if you realized the attack was coming at three feet. The point is simple – in the real world, the adversary often determines the distance, and that is only affected by your perception of the attacker and his plans.


    Timing (and the physical manifestation of it – angular movement) is something you can control. That control comes via correct training in context to an attack. If you are no longer where the adversary is attacking, you have changed the timing, in essence, you have stolen the timing from him. And if you do that, and hit him well, the fight is won. But only patient students will learn this.
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    Excellent point about consensual matches. Those are all about distance. But that has nothing to do with the circumstances we are talking about.

    We have some control over distance in proactive events. But the focus in this class was reactive situations where distance is entirely out of our hands. The bad guy gets a vote.

    We have control over our timing and the angle of our movement, but no control over distance. Distance is at best a function of our timing and movement in relation to our adversary. Perhaps that is too subtle for some but I think it is a huge distinction.

    Our view is that gunfighting must be practical. We have control over how we prepare, and in the moment of action we have control over what we choose to do. We don’t get to chooe our distance.
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    In a reactive event I don’t have the time to even consider distance, let alone try to control it.
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    It is much easier to change an angle than to change distance once things have kicked off. Distance is great if you can maintain it or ambush from it but it is not always attainable. If it kicks off inside 5 yards you are unlikely to be able to create enough linear distance fast enough to matter.

    If you can't back up fast enough to avoid a punch how will you back up fast enough to avoid a bullet? How does one keep from getting hit by a train? Outrun it? NO. Step off the tracks. CHANGE THE ANGLE. How do you keep from getting stabbed in the Tueller drill run from 3 yards? Increase linear distance by backing up? NO. Change ANGULAR distance by moving laterally and to forward obliques.
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    Thanks again for what you guys do
    for us!

    Great discussion.

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    Creating distance is a good idea, when and if possible. But some activities and some occupations make this impossible. If you're a UPS driver, or a bartender, or anything requiring face-to-face contact, or if you're just walking down a crowded street, there will be people in your personal space.
    Craving distance will make you uncomfortably aware of this, and that's not a bad thing.
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    BEFORE THE FIGHT
    WHEN YOU HAVE THE INITIATIVE

    you can exploit distance (more is not always better). The operation of distance is a PROACTIVE ACTION and has no place when studying reactive problems.
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    Distance is going to be controlled by the predator that initiates the action. You're right, the folks who's experience is strictly based in combative sports often don't realize this. When we are placed, by circumstances, in a reactive mode the only way to get ourselves on the right side of the power curve is to know how to control the angles and our timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Harris View Post
    How do you keep from getting stabbed in the Tueller drill run from 3 yards? Increase linear distance by backing up? NO. Change ANGULAR distance by moving laterally and to forward obliques.
    Against a contact weapon, why not pick the 5 & 7 O'clock lines instead of the 1 & 11?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV_MD View Post
    Against a contact weapon, why not pick the 5 & 7 O'clock lines instead of the 1 & 11?
    We do that. As discussed in class, it is to maintain status quo, but via angular movement. It is not a direct attempt to do anything with distancing, but rather an angular move intended to "take away" the enemy's turn.
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