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    Default WHAT IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD AN RMR?

    NOT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD A TRIJICON RMR

    Wednesday, October 03, 2018

    I was discussing the red dot pistol with a media personality today. He had fired a Glock 19 with a Trijicon RMR, and shot the best group of his life. Very enthusiastic at first, he was crestfallen to learn the $600 price tag. It is true, not everyone can afford a Trijicon RMR. But like it or not, the RMR is the standard for quality, ruggedness, and accuracy for pistol-mounted sights. There have been contenders to take the Trijicon crown but as of yet, none have succeeded. It seems most want to compete on price and fail in the ruggedness and quality areas instantly.

    Guys will bring out Burris Fastfires and tell me that they are just as good as the RMR because it always works for them on the range. Well sorry kids...the Fastfire is not the same. It may be totally reliable as a range toy, but it would be a foolish first line combat sight. Same can be said of the Sig Romeo, the various Vortex units, and any of the myriad of up-and-coming low cost mini red dots. That they work in the occasional range trip or match is interesting, but we have seen them fail in class.

    We have been doing the red dot pistol thing for ten years. We were running red dots on CCW pistols when everyone was saying what a stupid idea it was. We have seen all manner of dots through the decade and have seen them all fail. We have yet to see any SIG Romeo last a training session. One student dropped his SIG P226 Romeo RX from a height of two feet and destroyed the optic. Another one killed it when shooting in the rain. And the Romeo is far tougher than a Fastfire or a Vortex. And lifetime warranties are totally irrelevant when you are shooting for your life in a gunfight.

    At this point someone will raise a hand as if they just discovered gravity before anyone else in the room and scream out "Deltapoint!" The Leupold Deltapoint is not bad, but it is not without issues. Its large foot print all but requires the use of the Leupold rear sight, and is far taller than most other red dots, requiring a ridiculously tall front sight. And if that weren't all, my spies at Leupold report the short battery life. So, not for me.

    Now that I have trashed all the economy optics on the market, I will admit that not everyone can drop the $500 - $600 on a Trijicon and accompanying slide.

    But now there is an alternative that does not require some work around egalitarian mount. It is not an RMR, but it is better than the alternatives. It has a great battery life and is tougher than any polymer housing red dot. It showcases an interesting technology that incorporates a standard battery powered red dot with a solar powered dot as well. I suspect this will become an industry standard soon.

    It has an IPX8 certification with regards to being protected against water submersion - The equipment is suitable for continual submersion in water. I haven't tested the Holosun like we have the RMR (which for all intents is fully waterproof). Don't think this only applies to SEALs and guys like them. The certification is important because it sets a standard. I have personally seen Shield RMS and SIG Romeos fail when shooting in a light rain.

    And the best aspect of this red dot is that it has the same foot print as the Trijicon RMR. So if you cannot afford an RMR, there is no reason to forever limit your choice to second and third rate optics. Either get that RMR-Ready slide, or have your slide milled for an RMR and opt for the lower cost Holosun until you can afford upgrading to the Trijicon. Who knows...you might opt to just stay with the Holosun.

    Get a RMR-Ready Slide


    Get your slide cut for the RMR


    Get a Holosun Red Dot

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    I was wondering how long it was going to take someone to copy the same foot print as the RMR since its basically the defacto standard.
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    My opinion it's incredibly stupid not to use the same footprint as the RMR. But what do I know.

    Good on Holosun.

    I have been working with one for a bit on one of my shotguns. I don't like to endorse something until I've tested it A LOT, but so far it has been good to go. If nothing else it's a great economy dot to put on back up training pistols for those who have more than one red dot slide.
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    I can sell all of them, or sell none of them...

    Holosun is better than Shield RMS
    Holosun is better than Sig Romeo
    Holosun is better than Burris Fast Fire
    Holosun is better than Vortex Viper, Venom, and Razor
    Holosun is better than J Point
    Holosun is easier to install and later replace with an RMR than Leupold Deltapoint

    INHO - Tier One Trijicon RMR, Tier Two Holosun,
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    I've been UA for a while... Saw this on FB and am curious if there's much of a height difference between the RMR and the Holosun when mounted. I've been wanting to go the RDS route for quite a while and actually won a 6354DO in a giveaway Safariland did a while back so the red dot bug gets a little bigger every time I don that holster and see that big old hole in front of the rear sight that is just BEGGING to be filled.

    (I know it ain't a RMR but this might mean I have a way to put a red dot that is at least Semi-SI-Approved on my pistol without having to worry about the wife stabbing me in my sleep after she sees the bank statement.)

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    I have 5 RM08G's, and another older orange dot RMR,
    so suffice it to say I am on the dual illumination RMR
    band wagon. I must say, however, that when the RMS
    was the only thing feasible for my first 43, of which
    I have bought one, I have been impressed with
    the battery operated red dots, more than I thought
    I would be. And my astigmatism doesn't hinder me
    significantly when I wear non-prescriptive glasses.
    So, I'm going to try one of these on my second 43,
    that I just finished.

    When will these be available?

    Thanks!

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    I am looking at pictures now and I see that the photo for the out stock one from the SI gear site has an adaptor so that it mounts to picatinny rails. Can you say if this is routine in that it comes with an adaptor also for rail mounting. I might mount this to a shoulder arm. The problem is I have a lot of guns and $500 a pop for an RMR does add up.
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    Barnetmill,
    You are correct. It is common for optic mfg's to
    ship a picatinny mount with the optic. In this
    case, it can be easily removed for direct
    mounting to the SI slides, etc, or left attached
    for use as needed.

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    Do these have glass lenses?

    I haven't been able to verify that anywhere, yet.

    I found it. They do have glass.

    #3.

    Holosun offers an reflex sight product family which provides a larger field of view than our micro dots as well as the following advatanges:

    1. Advanced LED Technology: Holosun has developed high efficiency LED technology that draws current at the micro-ampere level, extending the average CR2032 battery life up to 50,000 hours. At the same time, Holosun also has the capability to customize the shape of the LED to create different reticle options. For example, our 500 series red dot's reticle is a 65 MOA ring around a 2 MOA dot, but the user has the option to turn off the ring and use just the dot if the need arises.

    2. Unique Solar Technology: In our solar powered "C" series red dots, the brightness of recticle is automatically adjusted based on the ambient light hitting the solar panel. Thus, the solar panel is both a power supply and a light sensor. The backup battery will compensate if the optic cannot be powered by light alone.

    3. Advanced Glass & Coatings: Holosun has created a proprietary multi-layer coating on the objective lens to ensure full spectrum light transmittance and clarity. Holosun also carefully pairs the front and rear glass to eliminate parallax.

    4. Smart Features: Functions such as motion based on and off, memory of the last brightness & reticle style, and automatically adjusting reticle intensity are available on some models.
    Last edited by Johnny C!; 12-06-2018 at 07:17 PM. Reason: added answer to my question.
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    Does the newer model, HS510C, also have the RMR footprint? I would assume so but can't find any mention of it anywhere, people only mention the 507 fitting.

    Any current news on how these are holding up in classes?




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