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    Default Police usually wait days before interviewing officers in shootings. A new study says

    Police usually wait days before interviewing officers in shootings. A new study says they shouldn’t.

    Even though officers who were questioned shortly after emerging from a high-stress scenario “felt heightened anxiety, and reported less confidence in their cognitive ability,” the study found that those factors “did not seem to impede officers’ ability to recognize details of the scenario, or form new memories and perform in the cognitive tasks.”

    My comments - As a private citizen you may not have much control over this. An officer is known to his agency and there is a presumption of right actions (whether they exist or not). An unknown party has no such presumptions. The more you are seen as a "good guy", I expect the more you may be accorded the same courtesy as an officer. And "MAY" is the operative word...you have to roll with what you are presented.
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    This morning’s “self-defense” homicide was under 45 minutes from initial call to interview room. 45 minutes isn’t a long time for the unprepared, but for those who understand and practice a microstatement it’s an eternity.
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    I tend to go with Lewinski and the Force Science Institute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joatmon View Post
    I tend to go with Lewinski and the Force Science Institute.
    You can go with whatever you want...but its not always your choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joatmon View Post
    I tend to go with Lewinski and the Force Science Institute.
    I don’t know what that means and don’t have any association with groups like Force Science Institute. What is it he’d have you do?h

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    I wouldn’t say much, or give a detailed statement without consulting a lawyer and having them present. I’d give basic facts, but would make clear that I don’t want to answer questions without a lawyer. If that means spending a day or two in jail, so be it.

    One of the first things I would say to the police is that I would like my attorney present for any interview.

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    Here Blackie...read these articles because your perspective will lead you down the suspect path and it won't be as easy as what all those "CCW Experts" may have told you - better yet, attend one of our classes. You don't know what you don't know.

    KILLING WITHIN THE LAW: MANAGING THE INITIAL POLICE CONTACT

    Wednesday, February 14, 2018


    One of the things that is incessantly being discussed in the CCW/LEO community is the after-event-discourse. In other words, what do you say...or not, after you have shot and killed an adversary. As expected, the variety of advice is as different as people's choices in guns and ammo. A prevailing attitude - promulgated by the liability-mongers - is to simply shut up and say nothing under any circumstances.
    I disagree and here is why -

    I have been in more than a few of these and also investigated quite a few of these. I noted some trends and tried to use those trends to my benefits when it was my turn at the plate.

    First is the fact that you are the only one equipped to tell your story. The bad guys you shot, if they survive, will not be "keeping quiet". They will be telling the police you pulled your gun on them, perhaps create some appearance of racism if they can exploit it, and generally make it look like you are the over-reacting bad guy. If the police are only hearing one set of supposed facts, and you are not talking, they will write their report with what they have, and rather than being listed as the victim, you will be listed as a suspect.

    So picture this scene. Two thugs followed you for some time, maybe yelling threatening stuff at you. While you did your best to avoid the issue, you were unsuccessful in getting away and they pressed the confrontation, attacking you with sufficient force to justify a gun solution.

    You shoot one of them, maybe wounding him - maybe killing him, and the other one runs off into the night. You saw the first man drop his pistol in a clump of ivy and the other man throw his knife on a rooftop as he ran away.

    You immediately call 911 and give a very cryptic account of what happened..."there has been a shooting...I'm the victim...send help". So far so good.

    In the meantime, one of the assailants...the one who got away, is also calling. His story is a little different. According to him you called them "Dirty Ghetto Dwellers", and pulled your gun on them, shooting his buddy. As far as the police know...they got two calls. One a cryptic call, from someone who seemed to be concealing something, and another reporting what amounts to a racial hate crime by a right wing Nazi. Now granted, they have been to that "area" before and they are forming an opinion about what really happened...but that is not enough.

    They arrive on scene and after controlling the event, ask you what happened.
    What you do now will have a bearing on the rest of your life. But understand the backdrop of events. You will get all manner of conflicting advice...specially from Youtube experts. Everyone has an agenda. My only agenda here, since I am not a lawyer, nor do I do any expert witness acts, is simply to tell you what I think after many shootings, homicide investigations, court room testimony, wrongful death lawsuits, and investigations for civil rights violations...all against me. You cannot just clam up and expect someone else to direct the event's investigation with you as a victim. Only you can do that.

    The guys who advocate saying nothing will not be able to point to the two weapons which were discarded...and which will disappear as soon as the scene is cleared. The police may not even look for them since no one told them they were in existence. No one will tell them you are a good guy who was a victim of a racially motivated beat-down robbery, as the ONLY info paints you in a horrible light.

    Sure...you'll have a lawyer...but all of the evidence the police may have collected will no longer be available, and the investigation will not have been an even and equal one, but rather one where you alone are presumed to be the suspect.

    See the point?? I know a man who did just that...kept his mouth shut because of what a shooting instructor advised him to do and he spent several weeks in jail, had two criminal trials, and was facing a civil suit from one of his attackers. All because he decided to say nothing rather than something.

    Is it hard to control your mouth? Yes it is. But no harder than to control your trigger finger, your desire to drink to excess, or to control the vertical displacement of your zipper. Part of being a man is the ability to control yourself so rather than waste your energy on fantasy football, spend it on learning self control. Self control is a learned thing and must be practiced daily.

    What I have done in the past, and what I teach my students is this.
    At the first phone call, identify yourself as the victim. Say it, "I am the Victim".
    At the initial contact with Law Enforcement give a very limited statement, focusing on the actions of the bad guys, reiterating what they did - or tried to do to you. This is where that "gentleman" persona will pay off dividends. A Raylan Givens will be treated differently than a Dewey Crowe. If at some point you want a "time out", and that is not a bad idea for true medical reasons as well as to simply catch your breath, collect your thoughts, and make any additional calls, it is a simple matter to ask for medical attention due to head ache, racing heart, etc.
    Say something like this -

    "Officer. I am glad you are here. Thank God. You saved my life from these guys"
    "I am a good guy. I am the victim. I was minding my own business on my way home when those two guys attacked me."

    "The one in the blue shirt had a knife. He threw it up there on the roof as he ran away down the alley. There should be some blood on it from my arm when I blocked his attempt to stab me."

    "The guy on the gurney was armed with a pistol. He dropped it right there in that pile of ivy when he fell."

    "It was so sudden. I was terrified. I am still terrified. I am glad you guys are here. "
    There...more micro statements pointing to roles in the event, evidence that can now be recovered, and additional investigative leads to apprehend additional suspects. And then the "time out".

    "Officer...I am still a little shaken up. I want to cooperate with you guys, but I have a huge headache right now and my heart beat won't slow down. Do you mind calling paramedics for me...I think I would like a doctor to check me out".
    I guarantee that you will not be asked any additional questions that night. Things are no longer in your control but you have set the investigation on the proper course, and the truth will be determined instead of being overlooked.
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    THE POLICE REPORT WILL NOT WAIT FOR YOUR ATTORNEY TO DESCEND FROM THE CLOUDS

    1). Saying nothing or saying so little it may as well be nothing guarantees you are a suspect and not a victim
    2). The report will not wait for your attorney to arrive
    3). Unless you committed a crime, you really don't need to be so worried about talking to the police
    4). Only YOU know what happened and only YOU can guide the initial investigation to be listed as a victim and not a suspect.

    Being listed as a suspect will cost you between $25,000 to $100,000. The police report will NOT be re-written.


    • As a suspect you are arrested for homicide or attempted homicide.
    • You are booked and if you want to go home, you will have to post bail.
    • There is usually no bail for murder under certain circumstances.
    • Other murder arrests have a $1 million dollar bail - that means that you must come up with $100K and collateral for the rest
    • And the god-like attorney that descends from the clouds the next day will not be free either. Minimum defense for murder begins at $50K


    But whathef*ckdoweknow? Enjoy your suspect experience...one we have seen hundreds of times.

    OR

    You can listen and read and be listed as a VICTIM on the report and not have to pay all that cash, sleep in your own bed, and likely NEVER go to court on any of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    3). Unless you committed a crime, you really don't need to be so worried about talking to the police
    I disagree. If the police are investigating you, you have something to worry about. As soon as the police start investigating you, you should start thinking ahead to the possibility of a trial.

    Asking for a lawyer shuts the police questioning of you down. And if it doesn't, you can probably get whatever you say thrown out as evidence against you. It will also make the police look bad if they continue questioning after you invoke your right to counsel.

    I'm not saying I wouldn't say anything to the police. But it would be limited.

    "Officer...I am still a little shaken up. I want to cooperate with you guys, but can I have my lawyer present during questioning? Do you mind calling my lawyer for me...here is his card. Please update him with my status and location. I will be happy to answer your questions with my counsel present".

    There is definitely an element of social engineering that goes into encounters with the justice system. I don't want to be dishonest with police, so I don't want to say I have a headache if I don't have one. Requesting a lawyer will shutdown the investigation in the same way. It may piss off the police, but the judge should see it for what it is. The judge will be the one that decides if you stay in jail, not the police.

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    See, your first paragraph shows that you're not in tune with what's going on. The police aren't investigating you. They're investigating what happened, and it's up to you how we categorize your part in things.

    Your approach virtually guarantees that you'll have no say in the initial inquiry, that your tragectory through the legal system is set by others and that your lawyer will make his next boat payment.
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