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  1. #21
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    Have 'em both...shot them both: like them both. The PDW is handier and lighter by a long shot, BUT the sights move when you fire them and the stock is less solid with the KAK I use than the various arm braces available for the EVO. Have even shot both suppressed and both are quiet and functioned perfectly. Both are better with improved triggers that SI can provide.

    EVO wins on optics options, stock for better 4 point contact with a forearm, lighter recoil/faster recovery time (although as a straight blowback, it kicks about like an AR). The safety comes built into the EVO and does not need to be added like the Cominoli. EVO comes standard with a threaded barrel, Glock does not. Faster mag changes with EVO MAYBE, but not by much. Bigger levers are easier to find, but I like mags going in the handgrip more than in front of trigger group personally (hands find hands).

    More traditional layout of controls and stock make shooting from odd or even traditional positions more natural with the EVO, but again, this is a small % advantage overall.

    I'd probably take a folding arm-braced HK SP89 over either, but that means more $ and availability is much tighter. Mags are also stupid expensive. Shorter barrel and smaller forearm make it pretty damn compact, but the charging handle is odd and push button mag release is not as handy as EVO.

    All good kit and worth considering. YMMV based on budgets and % of ROI you get from some carefully chosen upgrades, but I am confident mine will be upgraded by SI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Yamamoto View Post
    Some while back I spent a bunch of time and $$$ experimenting with different platforms for just this idea (among others).
    Those were some fun experiments. Imagine how much money that would have cost if you didn't have Yondering as a partner-in-crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nichols View Post
    The P90, as much as I like it, unless you're dropping the tax stamp to make it useable in this application is out due to it's design.
    I have both a P90 (PS90 SBR) and a Scorpion EVO braced pistol. If I were doing it again today, I'd skip the P90. It's a neat little gun. It's most striking characteristic is the extent to which is is functionally ambidextrous. The design is almost completely symmetrical. And it is lovely the way the brass just drops at your feet (great for shooting from inside a vehicle). But the cartridge is weird; it's only valuable as an SBR; options for optics are limited; and there is no good way to mount a flashlight.

    If it weren't for the NFA hassle, I'd probably sell off the P90. But I'm married to it now, so it stays. For anyone starting fresh, I'd definitely recommend the EVO instead.
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  3. #23
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    Anyone have CMMG Guard (Pistol, MkGs PSB, 9MM) experience to add to the conversation?

    9mm + suppressor + reduced gas in eyes + better recoil + glock magazines + AR similarities = CMMG Guard.

    The negative is the unknown/proven reliability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertGuy View Post
    Anyone have CMMG Guard (Pistol, MkGs PSB, 9MM) experience to add to the conversation?

    9mm + suppressor + reduced gas in eyes + better recoil + glock magazines + AR similarities = CMMG Guard.

    The negative is the unknown/proven reliability.
    It's no different than any other pistol caliber AR.
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    Im a BIG fan of 9mm ARs and its hard for me not to choose one; BUT that being said, the Scorpion EVO is a great semi auto SMG. One of the big issues with the AR series is the inability to fire with a folded stock. The EVO solves that issue. It makes for a compact package that can be shot while folded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDELWEISS View Post
    Im a BIG fan of 9mm ARs and its hard for me not to choose one; BUT that being said, the Scorpion EVO is a great semi auto SMG. One of the big issues with the AR series is the inability to fire with a folded stock. The EVO solves that issue. It makes for a compact package that can be shot while folded.
    It feels a little different to shoot the EVO due to the mass of the bolt, gives recoil an odd almost delayed feel, but the whole system is a real home run for the end user.
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  7. #27
    Will Suarez be offering the 'micro' version of the EVO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    THAT is an important issue for me.

    All LAW Folder Philia aside, you can never make an AR system as compact as one not using the buffer tube. And since folding the buffer tube negates function of the weapon...a weapon for which one salient feature is deployment in compact form, that for me negates the AR 9mm. No matter what you do, or how you seek to deploy it, it will never be as easy and handy as a weapon you can fire while the "stock" is folded.

    In fact, I will probably be selling the Angstadt 9mm I got last year shortly.
    I have one AR9 that I have been tweeking here and there for the past three or so years, and while I like it and will probably never get rid of it, I have been looking into a lighter and more compact solution. I really like the Scorpion, but much size and weight could be saved with something in the vein of the Suarez PDW. For a while (since Sig released the poorly-executed ACP) I have been looking into various platforms that host a pistol such as the Roni/Micro Roni and the KPOS. Just looking at the way most of these are designed and built however, they seem to be not much more than toys, although the KPOS Scout Slingshot looks promising, especially since I already have all the peripherals to complete it.
    Then I happened across the X01 Personal Defense Weapon Platform. instead of simply being an enclosure for a complete pistol, it uses the serial-numbered fire control module from a Sig P320 or P250. It looks pretty solid, well thought out, and not "gimmicky". It uses a collapsible SB Tactical brace instead of a side folder (thinner when brace not deployed), can be fired with the brace collapsed, and is much shorter than platforms that have a magwell external to the pistol grip.
    Does anyone here have any experience with one of these?



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    Looked at the above, makes the package a little bit big.

    I think Im going to do some experimenting with this for the 320

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtLnnncrXXU

    Im thinking through mods to make a brace with almost the same footprint if the rest of the system is determined to be reliable . 320 will get an RMR not the romeo sight. One of the benefits of being part of a LLC with an SOT. I see a couple of ways that the currently manufactured "stock" can be converted to a brace without added bulk. And the fact that the 320 has been adopted by the Army, and disabled vets will want to shoot the gun they know even with permanent injuries can drive the determination letter (coincidentally the same avenue the original SB brace went during a much less understanding administration)

    Would REALLY like the system in the video for a Glock, but the serialization differences preclude it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2f5shooter View Post
    I have one AR9 that I have been tweeking here and there for the past three or so years, and while I like it and will probably never get rid of it, I have been looking into a lighter and more compact solution. I really like the Scorpion, but much size and weight could be saved with something in the vein of the Suarez PDW. For a while (since Sig released the poorly-executed ACP) I have been looking into various platforms that host a pistol such as the Roni/Micro Roni and the KPOS. Just looking at the way most of these are designed and built however, they seem to be not much more than toys, although the KPOS Scout Slingshot looks promising, especially since I already have all the peripherals to complete it.
    Then I happened across the X01 Personal Defense Weapon Platform. instead of simply being an enclosure for a complete pistol, it uses the serial-numbered fire control module from a Sig P320 or P250. It looks pretty solid, well thought out, and not "gimmicky". It uses a collapsible SB Tactical brace instead of a side folder (thinner when brace not deployed), can be fired with the brace collapsed, and is much shorter than platforms that have a magwell external to the pistol grip.
    Does anyone here have any experience with one of these?
    We've discussed this in other threads but I don't have the time to chase them down to provide the links right now. Some points that I have made before, The only advantage of the pistol housing units of any type are that the optic doesn't reciprocate on the slide like on the Glock PDW with RMR, and that you can basically mount any optic you want. For this reason I'd opt for the Glock PDW over one of these set ups.

    As far as these compared to a dedicated PCC, you're losing all the advantages of the PCC in mass, barrel length, and hand space options. Which is why we haven't done anything with them. I have the same opinion with the micro versions of the EVO too. You're losing too many advantages of the G-PDW and the PCC by making that choice.
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