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    Here's as good a place as any to post this:

    "Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature."


    "Where liberty is, there is my country."

    -Benjamin Franklin

    Happy 4th of July, brothers and sisters.
    Warrior for the working day.

    Es una cosa muy seria. --Robert Capa

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    2, 1, 9. And a wakeup.

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    I wonder how many really understand THAT, and I wonder how many would risk their comfortable lives to fight for their freedom...

    From an old vet to the rest of you young and old--THANKS

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    Do yourself a favor and read this "modern english" version of the declaration of independence. Pass it around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctom View Post
    Do yourself a favor and read this "modern english" version of the declaration of independence. Pass it around.
    Interesting attempt to put this in “modern” American english. The author, however, begins his version by omitting one extremely fundamental word: LIFE, in the original phrase “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness...”

    We, The People, have the right to live and survive as we are able. The right to survival cannot exist without clear acknowledgement of the implicit right to defend oneself.

    I’m puzzled why the author omitted “Life”. Assuming the Right to Life is implicit is a mistake. Further, IMHO, the Right to Defend should be clearly stated in any bill or list of basic human rights.

    I see the right to keep and bear arms as a separate right to enable right to life and other necessary acts as stated, and to cover “arms” in the broad sense, not just, or only, firearms as many believe or say.
    Ted Demosthenes
    Suarez International Staff Instructor

    From Murphy: "Incoming has the right-of-way" (so, GTFOTX!!)

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    In light of the ongoing efforts by Marxist insurgents and propagandists to suppress knowledge of these things, I thought it might be nice to celebrate Independence Day by writing a short article about the Declaration.

    The Declaration of Independence is the definitive statement of “Americanism.” It is the affirmative statement of these principles as part of our positive law that distinguishes the civil government of America from all other civil governments on earth. It is “American” to conform to the principles set forth in the Declaration. It is “un-American” to reject those principles.

    The Declaration and Constitution are inextricably intertwined. If you reject the Declaration, you must necessarily reject the Constitution. The Declaration is the statement of principles, and the Constitution is the concrete application of those principles:

    "The Declaration of independence and the Constitution of the United States, are parts of one consistent whole, founded upon one and the same theory of government, then new, not as a theory, for it had been working itself into the mind of man for many ages, and been especially expounded in the writings of Locke, but had never before been adopted by a great nation in practice."

    John Quincy Adams, The Jubilee of the Constitution: A Discourse, (last visited August 20, 2000).

    Chief among these principles are 1) the idea that “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God” are higher than any human law, 2) the idea that all men are “created equal,” 3) the idea that all men have “inalienable rights,” 4) that it is God who endows men with these rights, and 5) that the sole purpose of a legitimate civil government is the protection of those rights.

    The “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God” is God’s moral law revealed in two different ways: 1) written on the heart and perceived through the subjective and fallen conscience, and 2) through the Bible: the objective and inerrant word of God.

    This idea of a two-fold revelation of the moral law was not new or unusual. It was ubiquitous, and had been used for centuries before the American Revolution. The colonists were mostly Calvinist Christians. John Calvin describes the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God in Volume I of the Institutes at page 367-8. It is widely understood that the principles of the Declaration were primarily gleaned from John Locke. Locke’s conception of this idea is most clearly discussed in his “Essays on Natural Law” at 187-189. Sir William Blackstone, the “oracle of the common law,” defines the term in Volume I of his Commentaries at pages 39-43. The American colonists disagreed with a few aspects of the common law, but this was not one of the things they disagreed with. James Wilson was one of the most learned founders. He signed the Declaration and was such a significant force in drafting the Constitution that he has been referred to as “co-author” of the Constitution, with James Madison. He was also one of the first Supreme Court justices. In his “Lectures on Law,” he defines this phrase in the same way, but with even more detail. God’s moral law is obviously a higher law than any man-made law. When human authority commands us to disobey God’s moral law, we must obey God, rather than man. See Acts 5:29.

    To say that “all men are created equal” is to say that no man is born with the natural right to make law, that is, rules which oblige other men. The only way that one man can obtain the right to make law is by the consent of those he proposes to govern. This was the colonists’ way of rejecting the divine right of kings, which claimed that some men are born with the natural right to make law. For example, Sir Robert Filmer, who Locke wrote the famous First and Second Treatise on Government in response to, argued that one man has the natural right to make laws for all other men because he is the direct descendant of Adam, and inherited Adam’s paternal authority over the entire human race.

    “Inalienable rights” are a little more complicated. Inalienable rights are a type of “right.” A “right” is a just claim. “Duty” is the correspondent of “right.” It is that which is owed. So rights and duties are like two sides of one coin. They all correspond to each other. Each right has a corresponding duty, and each duty has a corresponding right. For example, children have a duty to obey parents, and parents have a right to the child’s obedience.

    Rights are a type of property. Most rights are “alienable,” meaning they can be sold, transferred, or given away. For example, the right to possess and enjoy a parcel of land is often sold. Sometimes only a portion of that right is sold, like when the buyer only purchases the mineral rights, etc.

    Some rights cannot be alienated. If something is “inalienable,” it cannot be sold, transferred, or given away. Even if the owner of that thing wanted to give it away, he could not, since he lacks the power to do so. When you say you have something that is inalienable, you are not saying that you have absolute power over that thing. You are saying that your power over that thing is limited. It is subject to a restriction. You are saying that you lack the authority to sell, transfer, or give away that thing.

    Rights created by civil government are called “civil rights.” They are alienable, since the civil government can change or eliminate them. In the United States, constitutional rights are a type of civil right. They are alienable, since it is possible to change the Constitution.

    The rights that correspond to duties owed to God are properly described as “inalienable,” since men cannot free themselves from duties God has put them under. God is the one who imposed the duties, and God is the only one who can change or eliminate them. Because a man cannot free himself from these duties, he could not give these rights up, even if he wanted to. This is what it means to say that men are “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.”

    These are some of the most essential and fundamental aspects of Americanism. Happy Independence Day!

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    Well written, thank you...

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    May 2004
    My pleasure! I’m glad you liked it.

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