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    Default What is a Gentleman Killer (version 2018)?

    This concept came up at work recently and with several posts. I'm curious to see what the WT community would view as the epitome of the Gentleman Killer, version 2018.

    This is my short list of attributes, in order of importance:

    1. An educated Intellectual, first and foremost, with exceptional analytical skills
    2. Able to socialize and adapt to interpersonal relationships
    3. Able to take assignment of roles; able to lead or follow, as necessary
    4. Physically fit and seeking improvement where faults exist
    5. Mentally aware of surrounding and his role in the assigned task - sees the larger picture
    6. Strong skillset presence with lethal force, i.e. the Pistol...if that's what is at hand
    7. Able to gain and lose assets here in the now to better goals and desires in the future


    In my work, I certainly don't see the SWAT types as Gentleman Killers. Yes, they do several things very well, but they're localized skills sets. The men that impress me, meet my idea of Gentleman Killers, are the specialized detectives assigned to Gangs, Organized Crime, Counter-Terrorism, and the like. They're playing field is vast.

    This is just my observation and means nothing, but I am interested in yours so we can address options and beliefs in the upcoming August course.

    J
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    Great post.
    James 1:5 - "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."

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    In short i see it as someone whom does what it right regardless of outside pressures or consequences.
    You cannot be a true gentleman without the willingness to kill.

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    In my mind Gentlemen Killers, are gentlemen first; but with no moral guilt preventing them from taking violent action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDELWEISS View Post
    In my mind Gentlemen Killers, are gentlemen first; but with no moral guilt preventing them from taking violent action.
    I get what you're saying but for the sake of discussion, can we flip that a bit? As to say Gentlemen Killers, are gentlemen first; but with morals preventing them from not taking violent action when necessary.
    I say that to make the point that not taking action in many cases is immoral.
    Be alert, stand firm in the faith, act like a man, be strong. Your every action must be done with love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psalms23dad View Post
    I get what you're saying but for the sake of discussion, can we flip that a bit? As to say Gentlemen Killers, are gentlemen first; but with morals preventing them from not taking violent action when necessary.
    I say that to make the point that not taking action in many cases is immoral.

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    Great thread. Having worked both SWAT and Gangs I can say that I learned the most in Gangs. SWAT is single role. The bad guy is in the building...we go in and neutralize him. Period. Gangs was more complicated...think of a blending of Casino Royale and Training Day...and back again. And often working alone...creativity was tied to your success and survival.

    The list is a good one. What is conspicuously missing -

    Uncontrolled emotion. In truth, emotion is a tool and the show of it is a weapon. You control it, not the reverse.
    Political motivations. Marx was wrong...it is politics and not religion that is the "opiate of the masses".
    Defensive exculpatory positions when challenged. Learned men will recall their Macbeth and not "protest too much".

    What they are

    Mission focused and goal oriented with a firm held belief that nothing is impossible.
    Well spoken and sharply articulate to get the point across and have it understood by the most dim witted of listeners.
    Cool headed. The greatest example of manhood is grace and poise under pressure.
    Able to, as Kipling wrote, "walk with kings" without losing the common touch.

    In short, he is a renaissance warrior for the present age. Well read, well traveled, articulate and studied in the ways of human kind, but with the well developed program to kill quickly, and dispassionately when the situation calls for it.

    This concept has been around for ages. But the sad domesticated husk of manhood known to us as homo-pacificus does not and will never understand it. Sir Richard Burton (the explorer not the actor) typified this phenotype. Kipling laid out his resume in his immortal poem "IF" (which I made my son memorize). Heinlein laid out his mission statement in Time Enough For Love*. An Churchill admonished him to be ready for the tap on the shoulder to do "a very special thing".

    So much learning and so many examples to be that man every single day. It astounds me that so few men actually live their lives in that way. They will reach old age and be a breath away from their deaths...and will die never having done a f*cking thing other than exist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    SNIP Kipling laid out his resume in his immortal poem "IF" (which I made my son memorize).

    WELL DONE.

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    “A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”

    Still a wonderful quote.
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    I don’t know if I could ever pass as a gentlemen anything.....:)

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    This is pure gold Gabe. "Marx was wrong...it is politics and not religion that is the "opiate of the masses".
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