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  1. #11
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    I very much support student visas, and would encourage any young person to travel. I have learned a lot through travel, that I would not have learned otherwise.

    Border security is the least of our national concerns. Focusing on immigrant control is focusing on the symptom rather than the disease. If we dismantled the giant government and welfare apparatus that we have created, we could virtually swing wide the doors and invite everyone to come and work or study. At the core of every conservative's complaints about immigration is a deeper complaint about welfare--the true source of the problem.
    Virtute et Armis

  2. #12
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    When I met my wife she was an F-1 Visa medical student from Venezuela. So I'm happy for that.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    As long as they do not get handed out in nations that are our enemies...or support terrorism, I have no issues. What I have seen in my time on earth is that many westerners...mostly Americans, tend to have less focus and drive in the hard sciences. Why that is I do not know...maybe too much American Pie or Spring Break welfare culture entitlements.

    I know the junior staff are studying hard sciences and the majority of their classmates are foreign born with most from Asia.

    Withoutvan constant influx of opportunity and freedom seeking blood, the USA would be a communist welfare state in a couple of generations.
    I agree 100 pct heffe. My wife and her brother are from an anti communist Venezuelan family and are physicians.

  4. #14
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    The pet theory was that the foreign students will be so enthralled by the American way of life and the big bucks that they will be friends of America forever. Given America's current state and the culture of the universities, I think the old theory is a little dated.

    Some come for the technology, some the booze and women, some for advanced degrees they can't get in their home country. Can't fault them all, they should be scrutinized and followed a little more. Some have scrutiny from their home government. I had a Pakistani roomate in college who could only study engineering to comply with his government's currency export laws (money from home).

    If you want to talk about silly, look at the Diversity visas. They have no attribute but being different than us! Once they get here they are protected species and get affirmative action.
    "Stupidity is thinking you can continually outvote an endless stream of third world socialists"

  5. #15
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    I will add that a student from Asia or Latin America or India, is not the same as one from the Arab world. I will now step away from the ubercontraversial discussion again.
    Gabe Suarez

    Turning Lambs into Lions Since 1995

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  6. #16
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    It’s to keep the best in the world to keep coming here. If you had a business would you source local people only, or would you actually look for the best you could get in say a different state? Maybe even pay for thier move and offer bitchen incentives? If you want the best you have to offer the best deal...

  7. #17
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    Might there be some values in student visas if in a major part of the education is converting them to a civilized religion

  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by LawDog View Post
    I very much support student visas, and would encourage any young person to travel. I have learned a lot through travel, that I would not have learned otherwise.

    Border security is the least of our national concerns. Focusing on immigrant control is focusing on the symptom rather than the disease. If we dismantled the giant government and welfare apparatus that we have created, we could virtually swing wide the doors and invite everyone to come and work or study. At the core of every conservative's complaints about immigration is a deeper complaint about welfare--the true source of the problem.
    In my opinion, this is the answer.

  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by barnetmill View Post
    Some positivies
    1-Colleges and University are businesses and their clients are students, including those of foreign origins.
    Exactly. Having recently retired as a professor, the foreign students bring higher tuition than locals. It's all about money. Another aspect is the "brain drain" - only the best and brightest (and wealthiest) come to the US for education, but many of them "like it here" and do not want to return to their previous life-style... so they try to get jobs here! An eye-openers has been our recent candidate searches for professors. Most of the PhD applicants are not from the US. The pay and working conditions are much better here. But this leads to problems for students in the classroom trying to understand some heavy accents!
    WPSr
    I think little of myself but much of the public. -from the Dokkodou (the path of self-reliance) by Miyamoto Musashi
    If you are planning for one year, sow rice. If you are planning for one decade, plant trees. But if you are planning for a lifetime, educate people. - Old Chinese Proverb

  10. #20
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    OK its great except for all the problem children that we let in because of student visas..... I get that there are benefits, some anyway; but its also an open door for problems AND those problems are dressed in a "Oh it cant be Mamood, hes only here to learn". Yep we should exclude those problems before they come, and maybe they only became problems after they got here; BUT then once they are here--well that means they ARE HERE and all in the name of being just a student . Nope I for one could live without educating half the worlds nuclear scientists

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