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  1. #21
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    Default AK Pistol

    After doing research for a truck gun, I ended up on a Draco Micro this year. I then spent hundreds of dollars on a rail system, foregrip, arm brace, sling, red dot, tanker mags, trigger system, grip, safety, pin clip, etc.. that was off the top of my head. Very happy with it, and learning it all the time. Shoots flawlessly. I'm very happy with the system, just waiting for my OSS supressor to tax stamp and then I'll be off to the races.
    Last edited by sfc; 10-30-2018 at 08:24 AM.
    Though a mighty army surrounds me,
    my heart will not be afraid.
    Even if I am attacked,
    I will remain confident.

    Psalm 27:3 (NLT)

  2. #22
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    Sold off the 7.62 AK w ultimak and red dot to fund the RMR SI 3-17 build. Once I discovered the AR pistol outshot the AK its life was short lived. I was attached to it, but if you want good things you have to be willing to sell good things. The RMR Glock is on my hip or appendix almost every waking hour.

    Last thing to go was the last lump of ammo and mags...

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  3. #23
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    Last rifle? My SGL21 8 years ago at a local gun shop. last accessory? The midwest industries rail I bought from you maybe 5 years ago.

    I still have the SGL21 I also still have my SLR106. I'm about to do some upgrades on both now that I have the extra capital coming in to do so and the fact that there are better things available I cut my tang off back when ACE was the only thing in town there are better stock adapters now I'm not worried about having a folder on my 7.62 rifle.

    They are good rifles probably two of the best AKs ever imported however they will be relegated to secondary roles for now on I'll never try mounting magnified optics on them again it makes them too heavy, awkward and they are a pain to zero both will get red dots and I'll keep the irons zeroed and practice with them a few times a year.

    The AR makes things too easy, with the quality we have available now reliability isn't an issue, they are more accurate than the AK, it's easier to mount and zero magnified optics I can have a red dot and 1-6 that I can switch out at will without losing zero.

    I can build a 7.5" 300 aac AR pistol throw it in a discreet bag, travel with it and retain similar ballistics to a short barreled 7.62 AK with it being lighter, more controllable more compact, easier to suppress and with a better trigger.

    When good AKs started costing the same as BCM and Daniel defense ARs they lost much of their viability.

    My time using the AK was helpful Its the first rifle I learned how to fight with I appreciate time I spent with it however I don't miss trying to zero them

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    The gun has played a critical role in history. An invention that has been praised and denounced... Served Hero and villain alike... and carries with it moral responsibility. To understand the gun is to better understand history.

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  4. #24
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    Magpul furniture for a 7.62 WASR underfolder and a full stock 5.45 Arsenal, also a heavy duty sight adjustment tool. I bought the Magpul stuff and tool new. Magpul from Amazon and tool direct from Midway or something like that. I bought the underfolder new from a gunshop in Sierra Vista, Arizona in about 2009 and the fixed stock from a guy on Warrior Talk through the Stuff For Sale page. A friend of mine put some kind of tough flat black coating on the underfolder that I really like. I have had a BUNCH of AKs but I sold all except these a while ago, mostly to WT guys. The underfolder lives in my truck cab and gets shot a lot. The fixed stock 74 only comes out for range fun and classes.

  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa View Post
    Still useful weapons, still need to be part of the warrior's vocabulary of violence.
    It isn't "OUR" first choice as a weapon BUT it is the weapon the of choice for our enemy. Long ago as in the last century, I took a Foreign Weapons class. Back then we were worried about the SOVIETS flooding through the Fuda Gap, so I seemed like a good idea to know the capabilities of the enemies. Today we still have AKs in the hands of the of the old and new enemy or maybe its new enemies.

    I dont pretend to understand how to run a website and certainly not how to make money doing it. Ultimately though it seems hard to call myself a warrior if I dont at least have some knowledge of my enemy's equipment and capabilities. I dont think Im alone in coming to WT for knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDELWEISS View Post
    It isn't "OUR" first choice as a weapon BUT it is the weapon the of choice for our enemy. Long ago as in the last century, I took a Foreign Weapons class. Back then we were worried about the SOVIETS flooding through the Fuda Gap, so I seemed like a good idea to know the capabilities of the enemies. Today we still have AKs in the hands of the of the old and new enemy or maybe its new enemies.

    I don't pretend to understand how to run a website and certainly not how to make money doing it. Ultimately though it seems hard to call myself a warrior if I dont at least have some knowledge of my enemy's equipment and capabilities. I dont think Im alone in coming to WT for knowledge
    Where else?

    I don't ever expect to see "how to run the SAA Colt in the 21st Century" or "Combat Use of the Winchester .351 SL" on this forum, but I bet there are guys here who could school me in both and teach me how to fix 'em if they break.

    Weapons aside, this forum sharpens our thinking and our critical analysis of a world gone mad.
    Warrior for the working day.

    Es una cosa muy seria. --Robert Capa

    "...I rode the range in a Ford V8...Yippy Yi Yo Ki Yay." --Johnny Mercer (as modified)

    "What cannot be remedied must be endured."

    Vale et omnia quae.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa View Post
    Where else?

    I don't ever expect to see "how to run the SAA Colt in the 21st Century" or "Combat Use of the Winchester .351 SL" on this forum, but I bet there are guys here who could school me in both and teach me how to fix 'em if they break.

    Weapons aside, this forum sharpens our thinking and our critical analysis of a world gone mad.
    First I do agree that this forum DOES sharpen our thinking and the way I look at the world.

    No I don’t expect to need a how to run a SAA sub forum here; but that doesn’t mean that the knowledge is beyond our need. Likewise I don’t expect too many encounters with a SAA toting thug (OTOH I can see a SAA toting good guy might be possible in some parts of the country-and I’ll take whatever help I can get). That being said, I do expect to see a HiPoint carrying thug so knowing how to operate one isn’t a bad idea and I can assure you that I have see plenty of Drako like AK pistols and full size AK rifles in the hands of the kinds of guys who camouflage themselves in long white T shirts and gold chains.

    Again I don’t pretend to know the economics of running a forum and I’m sure some thugs have to be downgraded.

  8. #28
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    In truth, a rifle is a rifle is a rifle. Once you know the mechanics of a kalashnikov, there is no need to spend much more than occasional familiarization with one. And if we realize that picking up the bad guy's rifle is a truly foolish thing to do (unless you have already been foolish and not brought your weapon), the notion of using the other guy's rifle is shot down (no pun intended). I have not touched an AK in about three years and don't have any plans to change that in the next three. I have one AK left, an Arsenal SBR that I like, but all the others have been sold off as not necessary for me.

    The AK culture in the USA...and it started here...(not with Fuller and not with Puzikas who were brought in by us later) today is driven by a "good enough", "home built" mentality that is fed by price first, then trying to make it the equal of the M4 second. So while an over achiever can make an AK do great things (as well as a High Point or a SAA), it is never going to be a first choice...and we are all bout first choices here.

    What do I spend my training time on these days? The weapons I am most likely to have with me in a gunfight, in our very increasingly interesting times - 80% of my time on RMR-equipped Suarez Glocks and SIGs, and 20% of my time on 12 ga 870s.
    Gabriel Suarez

    Turning Lambs into Lions Since 1995

    Suarez International USA Headquarters

  9. #29
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    FOR THE SEARCH-CHALLENGED AND SURF-LAZY


    PICK UP THE TERRORIST RIFLE OR USE YOUR HANDGUN?

    Thursday, June 14, 2018



    The old saying, "A picture is worth 1000 words" was as true the day the old sage spoke it in the Chinese temple as it is today. So take a moment and look at all these images. They are a collection of Islamic Terrorists in the process of murdering innocents in futherance of their political, ideological and religious aims. We did not have readily available images of Mateen or Farooq, but if we did, they would look very much like these guys. What are they armed with?

    Rifles.

    And look at the last image. That belongs to the CT Operators who eliminated one of the terrorists in Paris. Look at the shield they are using. Do you the impacts on the Bataclan Shield? What made those and why were they deploying a shield of that nature?

    The bad guys were armed with rifles.

    Now, I would like you to set aside ideas about fairness, the American way of things, and the way things ought to be and look for a moment with me at reality...they way things really are, and the way people really are.
    Lets look at the LE Perspective:

    You are a SWAT operator running to locate an active shooter. You have heard shots and the information you got was a man yelling in Arabic and shooting at people with a rifle. All the briefings and training on these events has involved guys like this, and knowing what you know about rifles, you plan to take no chances. You turn the corner and see a man holding a rifle, pointed in on prostrate body.

    Having worked LE in one of the busiest regions in the nation, and SWAT at that, I can predict with 95% certainty that the guy with the rifle is going to get shot, and very likely killed, by the police. Not a 100% guarantee, but an almost 100% under the situations described.

    Not fair you say? Well, rain is also wet and fire is also hot. Feel free to complain about it, but that will not change the nature of rain, or fire.

    Nor what a human being tasked with hunting down a rifle armed killer - with few other physical descriptors if any - that he has not yet set eyes on and who he knows is in the process of killing everyone. The description he gets on the fly will not be enough to not shoot the good guy that decides to pick up the bad guy's rifle. Even if it is a great description, what the SWAT operator will focus on is "RIFLE".

    So lets consider the following -

    First let us assume correctly that those reading this are always carrying a pistol, regardless of the sign saying they "should not". And likely, carrying for just such an event. As well, we are not the sort of people to "duck and cover" waiting for the police as history shows that the LE response may easily be delayed from various factors.

    Sure there are mitigating factors such as you are unarmed, such as in an airport or some other place where it was physically impossible to "ignore the sign", and you managed to attack, neutralize and disarm the terrorist with your bare hands...or with a knife - and now you are either unarmed...or armed with his rifle. I get it, but understand that those facts will not be relayed to the responders and you run a very high risk of being misidentified.

    Next, lets consider that it is not an impossible task to bring down one or more of these people with handgun work, if it is done correctly and the shooter has an adequate level of skill. (To the incessant critics that will say that the "average guy" doesn't have that capability, I ask them to come up with a better solution that does not involve hiding under a desk in tears...in short if your marksmanship sucks, put down the beer and remote and change that).

    Once the terrorist is down, and has been shot in the face with at least a half magazine after he is down, unless there are mitigating circumstances dictating doing otherwise, I suggest leaving his rifle where it lays, lest you be confused for one of his compatriots.

    Again, it looks like the modern, properly organized handgun is the ticket for modern unplanned counter terrorism.
    Gabriel Suarez

    Turning Lambs into Lions Since 1995

    Suarez International USA Headquarters

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    Here's how it will go down for you, and for me when I'm off duty: You'll hear repetitive, muffled sounds from no particular direction. Odds are you won't recognize it, depending on distance from ground zero. The real cue will be people running, some head down in a sprint, some actually turning and looking back as if they were in a Grade B monster movie. That's when you start moving toward the sounds. You'll grab someone and yell in his face and you'll be told, "He's shooting people! He's got a gun!" and you may get the info that it's "an assault rifle!"
    This info will be relayed to the first responder(s) in garbled form.
    This is not the time to be wielding a rifle. If I'm off-duty and moving up, I'll shoot you. If I'm on duty, likely alone, and moving up, I'll shoot you. Unless I know you, trust you and am convinced you haven't gone over to the Dark Side. And how much time will I have to decide?

    Have a serious handgun. Learn how to shoot it well, including at distance. And keep it SUL unless targets are in sight and you are ready to engage.
    Warrior for the working day.

    Es una cosa muy seria. --Robert Capa

    "...I rode the range in a Ford V8...Yippy Yi Yo Ki Yay." --Johnny Mercer (as modified)

    "What cannot be remedied must be endured."

    Vale et omnia quae.

    P:15

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