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    Quote Originally Posted by DogDoc View Post
    My applications are more “outdoorsy” than 9mm or 357 Sig would be ideal for.
    The Stakeout would be a good bear-defense gun but the 10mm PDW would also fill some hunting/varminting niches the Stakeout would stink at.

    I wonder what the hang up is on 45 and 10mm happy stocks for mag manufacturers. Is it just supply and demand or is there something mechanically challenging about it?
    YEP. I'm seeing a lot of guys buying Glock 20s and even 10mm 1911s for bear country. Its funny because around here they aren't gonna face anything bigger than a dog and a real dog at that; but even the ones that do actually venture into real bear territory will be Blackies not Grizzlies. For them their 9s with a couple of high caps would be enough. Out in Dog Docs area, I do see the virtue of 10mm. For Me, I just want a Magnum SMG. I guess my first step is a Glock PDW in 357SIG, maybe on a G35 just so I can feel like its something different...

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    Quote Originally Posted by endsoftheearth View Post
    Would this be legal on a braced pistol? If so, it may help feed my Glock 20 PDW. https://www.fab-defense.com/en/categ...ttachment.html
    I don't think so; but I'm not sure many (including most cops) would know its not. The issue is it can be called a second handgrip on a firearm less than 26 inches OAL. Its even described in the add as a foregrip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDELWEISS View Post
    I don't think so; but I'm not sure many (including most cops) would know its not. The issue is it can be called a second handgrip on a firearm less than 26 inches OAL. Its even described in the add as a foregrip.
    Definitely not legal on a pistol if it can be construed as a fore grip that is in front of the trigger guard. If you think you will have enough time to empty the mag and reload a second mag, I suggest on a bear that you use that time to aim your rounds. But just as important it does sound like a range toy and not something for carrying in bear country. People too often count I think on a magazine change to compensate for poor marksmanship.
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    One of the benefits of the Glock PDW is that the manual of arms is almost identical to the Glock you carry on your belt. Don’t buy into gimmicks like a magazine foregrip. Besides changing the manual of arms, it offers no benefit because the frame flexes too much.

    If you want an extra magazine on board the PDW, attach it to the brace.
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    a little late to this party, but I figured I'd chime in since I recently went to a modified Glock 20 for daily carry. There are a few NEW items on the block for 10mm. First is the 10mm Kriss, which may get us some FACTORY 10mm happy sticks before long. Both the Kriss .45 and the Arredondo extensions needed a little fitting to work properly [follower tends to hang up on the junction between the extension and the magazine body...a little time with a knife or dremel on the "lip" and the front edges of the follower seems to fix that without causing other issues]. Second is new COTS loadings bringing the price down to .45 ACP practice ammo [with NORMA spec loads of 180 grain bullets travelling at 1250 FPS out of a stock G20 in both Hollowpoint and FMJ from SIG] and some of the new stuff from Underwood that gets it up into magnum/carbine velocities [115 grain solid copper at 1700 FPS/738 ft lbs, 135 grain JHP at 1600 FPS/767 ft lbs for two examples].
    Only down side is the the Endo doesn't fit the Gen 4 frames, only the Gen 3, so its not available for the Glock 40 [if you are going to make a dedicated PDW, might as well get a little extra barrel over the stock pistol], unless you mod the Endo adapter...which I may do.

    Oh and in case anyone is interested, running a G20 with a G29 chopped grip for concealment, an SI RDS L-adapter, and a "Micro Comp" as my daily carry with two 20 round [standard+5] reloads. Never felt under armed with My SI G19, just decided I wanted a little MORE capability....better to need it and not have it than have it and not need it.
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