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  1. #21
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    He simply said what everyone knows, but is too PC to say. I, myself, find it refreshing!

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    I don't know what's refreshing about a president that lacks refinement, basic respect, and eloquence.

    We talk alot about mastery of language here. Does Pres. Trump get a pass?

    The entire island of Haiti is not a shithole. That statement reeks of ignorance and incorrect stereotype.

    President Trump's statement was offensive to Haitians because it was an insensitive thing to say on the eve of a day of mourning for the 100,000 - 300,000 lost during the 2010 earthquake.

    It was also offensive because it ignores the strides Haiti has been making in the last decade and plays into the ignorance and stereotypes most Americans have about Haiti in general. The entire place isn't a shithole and parts of it such as labadee and jacmel are beautiful vacation destinations. Petionville is filled with mansions. Port au prince recently got it's first Marriot.

    Is it 1st world? No. There is extreme poverty and basic services aren't always available. But not everyone lives in a shack. And frankly you're probably more likely to be killed in Chiraq than in even the slum of cite Soleil.

    It was also offensive to Haitians because the statement seems to ignore the role the west has played in the development of Haiti. While the responsibility for Haiti's current condition ultimately lies on the citizens and leadership of the nation, frequent interference and exploitation by the west for the last 525 years has severely retarded and impeded the nation's progress, even as compared to its island neighbors.

    Finally it was offensive to Haitians because, like Americans, they are generally fiercely proud of their heritage, despite the struggles their nation has faced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apamburn View Post
    Finally it was offensive to Haitians because, like Americans, they are generally fiercely proud of their heritage, despite the struggles their nation has faced.

    That is not true about Americans.

    If it were half of them would not be ignorant sheeple voting for communism while thinking they are not communists, and much of the other half being almost as ignorant.

    People like the Clintons and Obama would have been laughed out of the primaries.

    Watching parades and fireworks, going to picnics, and singing songs, are just the trappings of patriotism/pride in our heritage. Most of them are like those people who only go to church on Christmas and Easter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apamburn View Post
    I don't know what's refreshing about a president that lacks refinement, basic respect, and eloquence.

    We talk alot about mastery of language here. Does Pres. Trump get a pass?

    The entire island of Haiti is not a shithole. That statement reeks of ignorance and incorrect stereotype.

    President Trump's statement was offensive to Haitians because it was an insensitive thing to say on the eve of a day of mourning for the 100,000 - 300,000 lost during the 2010 earthquake.

    It was also offensive because it ignores the strides Haiti has been making in the last decade and plays into the ignorance and stereotypes most Americans have about Haiti in general. The entire place isn't a shithole and parts of it such as labadee and jacmel are beautiful vacation destinations. Petionville is filled with mansions. Port au prince recently got it's first Marriot.

    Is it 1st world? No. There is extreme poverty and basic services aren't always available. But not everyone lives in a shack. And frankly you're probably more likely to be killed in Chiraq than in even the slum of cite Soleil.

    It was also offensive to Haitians because the statement seems to ignore the role the west has played in the development of Haiti. While the responsibility for Haiti's current condition ultimately lies on the citizens and leadership of the nation, frequent interference and exploitation by the west for the last 525 years has severely retarded and impeded the nation's progress, even as compared to its island neighbors.

    Finally it was offensive to Haitians because, like Americans, they are generally fiercely proud of their heritage, despite the struggles their nation has faced.
    And yet none of what you posted changes a single thing about those countries. They are what they are because they have allowed their government to get fatter while the country suffers. If people are offended, they can get over it and begin to change things. Their being offended doesn't matter to me.

    I am offended that people have the right to burn our flag...guess what...I have to deal with it.

    As to it being refreshing...yes it is. We have a president that isn't completely PC as of yet. Does he say stupid stuff at times, absolutely! Does he come across as a clown sometimes...sure, but he isn't PC and that is what I was speaking to as being refreshing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apamburn View Post
    The entire island of Haiti is not a shithole. That statement reeks of ignorance and incorrect stereotype.
    http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2018/...ment-accurate/

    <<I know the president was beaten up even on comments he made about Haiti, and I can speak firsthand about Haiti, because as a young Navy SEAL officer in 1994, Bill Clinton decides to invade Haiti. I was there. My SEAL team ended up sending two platoons, and we actually planned for 100 percent casualties, not from enemy fire, but because of the water quality. We had to swim ashore, and the water was so bad because there were two and a half million people with untreated sewage flowing right into the water that we were going in. We had to get so many shots, so many vaccinations, that none of us could donate blood for six years afterwards. So if the president says some places are shitholes, he’s accurate. Literally. >>

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...le-a-shithole/

    <<Cuba, a nation drowning in garbage where unarmed mothers are beaten and arrested for going to church, you can find a “sexual Disneyland” where, “thankfully,” the Cuban government turns a blind eye to rampant sex trafficking.>>
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    Being from one of the countries that probably was part of the shithole group-the prez is correct.

    The places are a mess.
    Why they are a mess is irrelevant to the fact that they are a mess.

    IMHO the US has long failed at protecting its 'franchise' that makes its attractive as a place to migrate to.
    Failed may be a harsh word-but certainly too liberal the ease at which people end up on us territory since the 90s.

    Adding milk to coffee is ok ....until you add too much...then you fkd up everything.
    Much less if the milk is already sour.


    A a Caribbean islander...living here BY CHOICE...we struggle with the negative effects of these migrants -

    in the same way that border communities along the Mexico border struggle,
    like the pass through and destination countries in the Euro...
    ..even my grand mother had to change her lifestyle in friggin CANADA in the 80s with the influx of immigrants.


    Ive asked around here and most of the thinking folks think that POTUS is right.

    I would offer free flights back to those so offended.
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    The truth only hurts if it should.
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    It is normal to have pride in one's country even if the country is a dud. But if the country is a dud you keep it in a low voice and concentrate on making you and yours better. I have a certain pride in being a 4th generation Angelino, but that does not cloud my judgement that current day L.A. is a shithole. It used to be a great place: I'm glad my great grandparents moved there and I saw it back during the Republic.

    The sad fact is that many countries are doomed. The some total of their genetics, religions, cultures, politics and rapid population growth makes it impossible for then to get out of the hole. The Trumpster knows it and is trying to figure out how to stabilize/neutralize these disasters but protect America first and foremost.

    Part of Trump's success is his pointed language--it works because nobody is listening if you talk polite and low. 51% of American voters don't want to make America great again. Let's hope a few wake up. Most politicians are living in the world of Romper Room political economy--democracy, tolerance, equality, prosperity are all around the corner! Dream on ...
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    The one question I have yet to hear a good answer to is. How is calling a country a shithole racist?

    I am mean I've had people call where I live a shithole and my answer to them is "Great! Keep thinking that we don't want you hear anyways."

    But then again I'm using common sense to attack this so I will probably never hear a good answer.
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    Default Haiti is a Hell Hole

    Quote Originally Posted by apamburn View Post
    I don't know what's refreshing about a president that lacks refinement, basic respect, and eloquence. We talk alot about mastery of language here. Does Pres. Trump get a pass? The entire island of Haiti is not a shithole. That statement reeks of ignorance and incorrect stereotype. President Trump's statement was offensive to Haitians because it was an insensitive thing to say on the eve of a day of mourning for the 100,000 - 300,000 lost during the 2010 earthquake. It was also offensive because it ignores the strides Haiti has been making in the last decade and plays into the ignorance and stereotypes most Americans have about Haiti in general. The entire place isn't a shithole and parts of it such as labadee and jacmel are beautiful vacation destinations. Petionville is filled with mansions. Port au prince recently got it's first Marriot. Is it 1st world? No. There is extreme poverty and basic services aren't always available. But not everyone lives in a shack. And frankly you're probably more likely to be killed in Chiraq than in even the slum of cite Soleil. It was also offensive to Haitians because the statement seems to ignore the role the west has played in the development of Haiti. While the responsibility for Haiti's current condition ultimately lies on the citizens and leadership of the nation, frequent interference and exploitation by the west for the last 525 years has severely retarded and impeded the nation's progress, even as compared to its island neighbors. Finally it was offensive to Haitians because, like Americans, they are generally fiercely proud of their heritage, despite the struggles their nation has faced.
    Reprinted from article linked below: Is there any question Haiti is a s***hole? Who’s offended by that? If it wasn’t a s***hole it wouldn’t be one of the most prominent recipients of American charity aid on Planet Earth. And it isn’t like this country has ignored Haiti — we’ve been trying to lift it out of s***hole status for more than a century, with absolutely no result whatever. In 1910, President William Howard Taft granted Haiti a large loan in hopes that Haiti could pay off its staggering international debt and therefore achieve a larger measure of independence from Europe. The result? Haiti defaulted and U.S. tax dollars were poured into a bottomless pit. In 1915, following the assassination of Haitian president Jean Vilbrun Guillaume Sam, President Woodrow Wilson sent in the U.S. Marines to help establish order there — and the American military presence in Haiti didn’t end until 1934. Yet so little was America able to influence the Haitians that Haiti is the only country in North America where baseball — a national pastime in the Dominican Republic next door — isn’t played by the population. There is no poorer country in the Western Hemisphere than Haiti, though given time Communist Venezuela might well change that. And no, it’s not racist to note Haiti is a s***hole. While Trump was having his supposed outburst his administration was removing Temporary Protected Status from some 200,000 Salvadorans, most of whom are not black people, who had entered the country illegally. Why would he do that? Perhaps because on balance, mass immigration from El Salvador isn’t such a great idea. Know what you get when you take in an unlimited number of illegal Salvadorans? You get MS-13, which is a Salvadoran street gang spreading its vicious tentacles into every Hispanic community in America in the precise way the Italian mafia achieved a chokehold into the Italian community in this country a century ago. The open-borders crowd doesn’t want to talk about that, though, and it wants to call you racist if you’re opposed to a deluge of immigrants from the worst places on earth. That’s why Trump’s “s***holes” objection is big news rather than the fact there are so-called political leaders who can’t agree to reorient our immigration policy toward taking people who can successfully assimilate here. Between the two, the crude man who tells the truth and looks out for his own citizens is preferable to the genteel man who sells us out for cheap labor or ballot-box fuel for a political machine. If Trump is the former, so be it. https://spectator.org/importing-the-s-hole/ dan
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