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  1. #31
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    What is your opinion on Underwoods Lehighs in say 357 sig or 10mm?

    What I like about your guys PDW' s is even getting the manual of arms down is simple and cheap with 9mm , but one could still own a backwoods 357 sig set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellehack View Post
    What is your opinion on Underwoods Lehighs in say 357 sig or 10mm?

    What I like about your guys PDW' s is even getting the manual of arms down is simple and cheap with 9mm , but one could still own a backwoods 357 sig set up.
    They make excellent ammo. But, they do not have the QC capabilities of the major manufacturers. Underwood is what I use in my .44 caliber revolvers. For back woods carry, Id pick Underwood. For social carry, Id stick with Federal or Speer


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    OK lets try a reset here--I asked about other cartridges because the ARE guys here carrying other cartridges. We KNOW some guys have Glock PDWs in 45acp and at least one guy with a Glock PDW in 357SIG. So there are other possibilities.

    Yep in my case the 357SIG is specialized (even more so than a "regular" PDW). I use it when I'm in more rural areas. As a guy who grew up in the Baltimore AO, living temporarily with relatives in farming country, then travelling to Cody Wy on vacation was a wake up to real rural--suddenly my 9mm SMGs seemed useless. My thought in those areas was 357SIG (and maybe others) needed serious consideration. Can a 9mm handle most PDW needs, sure BUT do other cartridges have merit; yeah I think so...

    Mag commonality...yes a great advantage, likewise similar platforms...yeah a nice to have; but Id be open to options that didn't share mags and of different platforms. The Glock is a great Handgun, its even good as a Stocked Handgun. Does it "work" as a PDW that's carried a lot and used in emergencies--yep BUT its not a SMG, and if I expected I might have to fight with more than a handgun, I think I might opt for something more. Now that being said, Glocks are available in 9mm, 40SW, 45acp, and 10mm, so even if another platform is chosen for a PDW the Glock serves well as the primary handgun (and maybe with mags in common).

    As too common cartridges between handgun and PDW, well that's nice, maybe even really nice; but by definition that limits the PDW to a SMG. So are PDW specialty rounds different from the handgun worth consideration? IDK, I think for most of us in most situations, the answer is NO; but I do think it opens the options to cartridges outside 9mm.

    Regarding commonly available (and cheaper) cartridges, Hmmmm, typically Id agree; but on something as special as a PDW I'm not so sure. I'm not opposed to "Walmart" rounds (I use Walmart as a baseline for "availability"); I'm just not sure we have to fall into that trap for PDWs. Stocking a case (or less) of special rounds for a PDW doesn't seem too far out of line--especially if the round/weapon offers a useable advantage in a particular situation.

    So if 9mm is sometimes better than 556 > then is something else better than 9mm sometimes....

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    Outdoors Rural when predatory animals may be out there - 12 ga with slugs, or a 300 blackout "Pistol" with supersonics, or something like that.

    Outdoors Rural where no concern over being eaten - 5.56 or 300 BO Pistol

    Outdoors Urban - Depending on expected mission - Stakeout 12 ga, or 9mm PDW. If you carry a 40 or a 357 or a 45 Glock...then a PDW in those calbers. If you carry a CZ75, wake up and realize its 2017 and get a glock.

    Indoors Urban - Home or Office or other similar type event - Pistol is king as you will always have one. I just got up and have a pistol carried left appendix. To augment the pistol, or if you have time to go Offensive Preemptive - again depending on predicted nature of conflict - A stakeout 12 or a 9mm PDW either Glock or an AR-9.
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    Furtehr more...carrying a CZ-10 in 9mm and an AR-9 in 9mm that runs on Colt magazines is substandard to where the bar has been set.
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    I have two dedicated PDWs (dedicated meaning they have an SI mag release and live on an Endo/KAK brace full time). One is a 45acp G21 which is the house gun. I like the idea of large, slow bullets indoors and since the Kriss mag eliminates the capacity issue, why not? When I get up in my jammies to kill a home intruder I'm not going to have a handgun on my belt so mag commonality is irrelevant. I also use this PDW when tromping around the woods. In those cases, I have a G21 on my hip so mag commonality is preserved. I should probably carry a 300 BLK pistol or a shotgun but I'm lazy...maybe a Stakeout someday.

    The other is a G17 which is my traveling PDW. It has a pair of happy sticks linked together with one of Gabe's mag-linking thingies. My EDC is either a G19 or G17 so mag commonality is there as well.

    I'm trying to think of a scenario where one of those two calibers wouldn't be ideal and where a rifle caliber wouldn't make more sense....Hmmm......maybe if one was going to be outdoors in a non-wilderness setting, like maybe an event at a park, or a sport event or a fair or carnival where you might see something going down that was more than 25 yards away? Maybe in that scenario you could argue that a flatter-shooting .357 Sig (or 9x25 Dillon?) pairing of EDC/PDW would make more sense but a .40 or hot 9mm would likely do the job too. Then again, the odds of being able to make such a long shot at a crowded venue without making holes in people besides the bad guy are pretty slim.

    For me, it gets to be too much hair splitting with all the possible "what-if" scenarios. I'd probably be better served by practicing more with what I'm likely to have with me than to get yet another caliber and try and guess when I might wish I had something else. That said, I do have a .357 barrel for my RMR'd G35. But I consider it a toy and have yet to have thought I should strap it on preferentially to my G19.

    Edited to note that I was apparently simul-posting with Gabe when he wrote post #34. As usual, he nailed it and took fewer words to do so...and did it one-handed with his non-dominant hand no less! :0)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogDoc View Post
    ...and did it one-handed with his non-dominant hand no less! :0)
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    Interesting thoughts.... so if I'm reading correctly 40sw, 357SIG, or 45acp is acceptable, if you carry a matching Handgun/PDW in those cartridges. Would that also include 10mm under the same circumstances?

    Where do the 9mm ARs come into play? I ask because you referenced the Angstadt as one of the best 9mm ARs and I see youre also listing the CMMG 9mm AR.

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    I have 3 PDWs: 9, 357, and 45. I can justify reasons for each but honestly I just did it because I could. I enjoy building things that are a little unique.

    I don't recommend that path. I suggest carrying a 19/17/34 and a 17/34 PDW. Spend your money optimizing those and don't look back.

    I got into 357 because I decided 40 did not offer a lot of benefit, and it's easy to convert to 357. I bought a long barrel to maximize the velocity… It is as close to a 357 Magnum Glock as you can get. So far as I know, I was the first person to build one. My reasons? Because it's fucking cool, that's why. I have a matching carry pistol.

    I got into 45 because I found that I really enjoyed shooting the G41. I set up a PDW stock only because a friend had a modified Endo unit he wasn't using. It was 95% there already and was easy to fit. So far as I know I have the only G41 PDW in existence. Is there any reason for you to build one? No, unless you like carrying heavy ammo. I have a matching carry pistol.

    I finally built a 9 because it's stupid not to have one. Of course I had to be different so I built it on a 17L. So far as I know, it's the only one in existence. (See a pattern?) Of course, I have a matching pistol.

    9mm makes the most sense for this application, period. If you want something different, just build it because you want it.

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    The significant disadvantage to doing one in 40 or 357 Sig is the lower capacity of their "high-capacity" magazine (22 rounds vs 27 for Kriss 45acp and 33 for 9mm).
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